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Merged Artificial Intelligence


interesting video on the financials of the ai tech industry. covers the circular investment strategy of the big players, the prospects of ai being profitible enough to justify the projected $7t in infrastructre investment, and rental gpus and chips as collateral for loans, and concerns about energy, and how it all might shake out in the bigger picture
 
The Great Zaganza said:
LLM learning is pretty much the exact opposite of how living organisms learn.
It is highly unlikely that you will end up with something like a brain when you are not doing anything similar to what it's doing
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That has not been demonstrated.

Opcode said:
If balloons don't imitate how birds fly, that is because they use a different principle than birds use to fly. Nobody said that the way birds fly is the only way of achieving flight or buoyancy in a fluid medium. In fact, the inspiration for balloon flight came to the Montogolfiers as they watched sparks flying up in their fireplace. Their balloon was meant to imitate sparks. Balloons fly in much the same way that wood or balls float in water. A balloon is like a cork in the sky. (I just know that analogy is going to be well-received.)
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Right, exactly. We fly, arguably, better than birds by using completely different principles. Nobody said that the way birds fly is the only way of flying. Just like nobody has said that the only way a computer can think is by mimicking the way people do it.
 
arthwollipot said:
That has not been demonstrated.


Right, exactly. We fly, arguably, better than birds by using completely different principles. Nobody said that the way birds fly is the only way of flying. Just like nobody has said that the only way a computer can think is by mimicking the way people do it.
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Most aircraft use similar structures and principles as birds to fly. Birds inspired fixed-wing, heavier-than-air aircraft, all the way back to before the Wright brothers. These aircraft mimic birds, optimizing some features to outperform what birds can do in the areas we desire. In contrast, we don't have another model for intelligence, especially human-like intelligence, than humans. The human brain is the only way we know to fly in this space.
 
dirtywick said:

interesting video on the financials of the ai tech industry. covers the circular investment strategy of the big players, the prospects of ai being profitible enough to justify the projected $7t in infrastructre investment, and rental gpus and chips as collateral for loans, and concerns about energy, and how it all might shake out in the bigger picture
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I'm certain that we are going to see a huge rumble from this business because of the huge amount of money being spent to expand it. Things cannot stay as they are with the trillions of dollars being spent on it. I have no idea what makes these people think they are going to recover that money or how they think they might do it. OpenAI, Oracle, et. al., decided to band together and build $500 BILLION just in AI data centers in five states. What could they sell that's worth $500 billion? They would need some really good AI products! Something that could just about run a corporation on its own. Then, there is xAI. Who knows what Elon thinks he's going to do!
 
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article claiming ai companies are basically fudging the numbers on chip depreciation to kick losses down the road and make them appear more profitable than they are. if true, not great for an industry already operating at a loss
 
arthwollipot said:
But "the only way we know" is very much not the same thing as "the only way". In 1700, the only way we knew to illuminate a house at night was by lighting fires.
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That really doesn't help us figure out some other way, nor does it demonstrate that some other way exists.
 
arthwollipot said:
As opposed to your view which closes every door and window, locks them firmly shut and throws away the key.

This metaphor is becoming a bit strained, but let's see how far we can push it.
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My view merely acknowledges that we are shut in, a people sitting in darkness. Should someone devise an alternative, he would be like the ATF, bursting in the door in a blaze of light, freeing the captives, setting us free in the light of a new day! Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Strained enough for ya?
 
Yeah, that's pretty good. Except that you don't believe that it's even possible for the ATF to exist. I'm saying that the ATF might not look like the ATF. It might look like a shiny unicorn, or the concept of the number 3. We just don't know.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah, that's pretty good. Except that you don't believe that it's even possible for the ATF to exist. I'm saying that the ATF might not look like the ATF. It might look like a shiny unicorn, or the concept of the number 3. We just don't know.
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You're right. Let me change that from the ATF to Santa Claus. You'd better watch out! He won't just be sliding down chimneys!

As impressive as the most recent wave of AI is, it's still just a bunch of tricks that at best mimic intelligence at a glance.
 
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