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Merged Artificial Intelligence Research: Supermathematics and Physics

Nay_Sayer said:
Well, he seems to exist in a world of his own that is dictated by his own invented notions and definitions, I'd not be surprised if he saw nothing wrong in his actions on the other forums.
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I think his moral awareness is a secondary concern. I’m more concerned with his inability to see patterns or pay heed to people saying they found certain things offensive or incomprehensible.

The tangent over the word “retarded” is an excellent example. I grew up with the word used as a utility insult to describe foolish behavior, people, or ideas. I don’t use it in that manner anymore because I know there are people who find it offensive. Even if I completely lacked any kind of empathy for my fellow human beings, I’d be able to recognize that using the word would be likely to cause offense, so I would at the very least avoid it in situations where I wasn’t trying to piss off the people I was talking or writing to.

His discourse about his mathematics and AI ideas were riddled with the same tone deaf approach to language and arguments. His responses consisted largely of insults directed at people who didn’t understand him and ivory tower dismissal of people who lacked specific credentials or expertise. He did not conduct himself as a man who came here to debate, but as a man who came here to argue. He’s not arguing about his ideas, he’s using his ideas as an excuse to argue.
 
Thermal said:
I think I found what he claims is his wee bit of invention. Calls it his Trig Rule Collapser Set. My calc is covered in almost thirty years of rust, but as near as I can see he is claiming to have invented...plugging in values from memory instead of formally spelling them out. His links to a paper he claims to have clarified this on goes 404.

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ETA part the second: yes, I'm pretty sure he is just recognizing simplification on the fly and plugging in known integrals without formally showing the steps
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It is worse than that. He lists the form of an integral that his "rule" can solve/make easier/whatever. Then proceeds to show it in action on a problem that does not have this form (instead he uses an integral with a simpler form). It will not work for the form he indicated.

On a side note, this form I've mentioned is rather odd:
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If it is minus, we don't need the rule because the integrand is 0.

If he is reading this: I suggest trying your "rule" with say n = 10 to see how silly it is.

You can read his "paper" here.
 
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LordoftheLeftHand said:
It is worse than that. He lists the form of an integral that his "rule" can solve/make easier/whatever. Then proceeds to show it in action on a problem that does not have this form (instead he uses an integral with a simpler form). It will not work for the form he indicated.

On a side note, this form I've mentioned is rather odd:
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If it is minus, we don't need the rule because the integrand is 0.

If he is reading this: I suggest trying your "rule" with say n = 10 to see how silly it is.

You can read his "paper" here.
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Levenge makes more sense.

https://www.distortedview.com/show/...tortedview.com/show/121416-dimension-levenge/
 
Chanakya said:
Oh, I hadn't the noticed the part about the banning. The suspension, yes, not the banning. So the poor chap is out of here for good, is he? Too bad! Of course he had it coming, he'd practically been asking for it, but still ...
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But still what? The guy had a most impressive internet footprint. Of the twenty or more sites where he spammed his nonsense, all had exactly the same complaints, and roughly half had banned him. I even contacted good old Bengio, his favourite reference in the AI field. Turns out that Bengio actually is a professor and AI researcher. It further turns out the Bengio couldn't figure out what PGJ was on about, and he actually is a leading AI researcher. Kudos to him for responding to my emails in the first place.

And then the "piece-de-resistance". As I followed his trail of collateral spammage, I happened upon a site where he stupidly posted his home address in the web address field which is publically available and there I stopped. I tried to tell him in thread, which "garnered" (haha) the one word response "irrelevant". At halleyscomet's prompting, I PM's him in lavishly conciliatory terms. PM in response? "irrelevant".

I have not identified the site where this error occurred, nor will I (except for the PM to PGJ). In fact, I have signed up to that site for NO reason other than to provoke their mods to do something about it. Why? That would be those troubling things like ethics and altruism that we godless heathens are not supposed to have.
 
abaddon said:
But still what? The guy had a most impressive internet footprint. Of the twenty or more sites where he spammed his nonsense, all had exactly the same complaints, and roughly half had banned him. I even contacted good old Bengio, his favourite reference in the AI field. Turns out that Bengio actually is a professor and AI researcher. It further turns out the Bengio couldn't figure out what PGJ was on about, and he actually is a leading AI researcher. Kudos to him for responding to my emails in the first place.

And then the "piece-de-resistance". As I followed his trail of collateral spammage, I happened upon a site where he stupidly posted his home address in the web address field which is publically available and there I stopped. I tried to tell him in thread, which "garnered" (haha) the one word response "irrelevant". At halleyscomet's prompting, I PM's him in lavishly conciliatory terms. PM in response? "irrelevant".

I have not identified the site where this error occurred, nor will I (except for the PM to PGJ). In fact, I have signed up to that site for NO reason other than to provoke their mods to do something about it. Why? That would be those troubling things like ethics and altruism that we godless heathens are not supposed to have.
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No, I agree with all of that. I did see, earlier on, the part where you'd posted your exchange with Bengio Yoshua, as well as PGJ's near-identical threads in other forums (with near-identical responses to his nonsensical posts from the members there). Great work there, by the way.

It's just that, still, the idea of someone being booted out is not exactly pleasant. After all, unlike some others, he wasn't advocating rascism or genocide or real-life harrassment of people (although I suppose Bengio Yoshua migh, just perhaps, disagree with the last part of what I said there!).

But PGJ had been asking for it. Repeatedly and flamboyantly. No doubt about that.
 
Chanakya said:
No, I agree with all of that. I did see, earlier on, the part where you'd posted your exchange with Bengio Yoshua, as well as PGJ's near-identical threads in other forums (with near-identical responses to his nonsensical posts from the members there). Great work there, by the way.



It's just that, still, the idea of someone being booted out is not exactly pleasant. After all, unlike some others, he wasn't advocating rascism or genocide or real-life harrassment of people (although I suppose Bengio Yoshua migh, just perhaps, disagree with the last part of what I said there!).



But PGJ had been asking for it. Repeatedly and flamboyantly. No doubt about that.
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I think it’s relevant to note that he was suspended for repeated violations of the membership agreement. His actual ban was because he created sock puppet accounts after he was suspended. His ideology had absolutely nothing to do with being banned. Even his attitude and treatment of others was not responsible for his ban.

He was banned for a flagrant and overt violation of the membership agreement. He was banned for pretending to be someone else. He was banned for an act of deliberate deception explicitly banned in the membership agreement. Creating a sock puppet account is a very explicit admission that someone does not intend to engage in discussion on honest terms.

It’s hard to get banned here compared to a lot of similar forums. The moderators are very patient.
 
Chanakya said:
No, I agree with all of that. I did see, earlier on, the part where you'd posted your exchange with Bengio Yoshua, as well as PGJ's near-identical threads in other forums (with near-identical responses to his nonsensical posts from the members there). Great work there, by the way.

It's just that, still, the idea of someone being booted out is not exactly pleasant. After all, unlike some others, he wasn't advocating rascism or genocide or real-life harrassment of people (although I suppose Bengio Yoshua migh, just perhaps, disagree with the last part of what I said there!).

But PGJ had been asking for it. Repeatedly and flamboyantly. No doubt about that.
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Well, believe it or not, my contact with Bengio continues. As things sit, he has provided me with a literal avalanche of material to read on the topic of AI, because PGJ is no longer the topic. It will likely take me some months to wade through the sheer volume of material he has happily provided to me. I don't mind that in the slightest, happy to do so out of simple subject matter interest. It may be a while. I stand by (and it bears reiteration) the fact that Bengio is a really nice guy.

Am I super for tracking this down? No. It simply happens that sometimes, somebody will post something so egregiously stupid and easily checked and verified that I cannot help myself but to go and check and verify the dumb claims. This has occurred twice recently, PGJ and Johan., both now banned. Did my activity get them banned? No, I don't have any such influence and it was their own activity that got them banned from here and, as I discovered, from a multitude of other places.

In short, I am no saint of anything, I just get a little stroppy when people post blatant lies that can be easily checked. Likely, I burned way too much time on them.
 
halleyscomet said:
I think it’s relevant to note that he was suspended for repeated violations of the membership agreement. His actual ban was because he created sock puppet accounts after he was suspended. His ideology had absolutely nothing to do with being banned. Even his attitude and treatment of others was not responsible for his ban.

He was banned for a flagrant and overt violation of the membership agreement. He was banned for pretending to be someone else. He was banned for an act of deliberate deception explicitly banned in the membership agreement. Creating a sock puppet account is a very explicit admission that someone does not intend to engage in discussion on honest terms.

It’s hard to get banned here compared to a lot of similar forums. The moderators are very patient.
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You’re right, the banning itself had nothing to do with his general idiocy and everything to do with that last ill-advised attempt of his to sneak back in here.

Wonder why he did it? The sock puppet, I mean? Surely even he couldn’t have been so obtuse as to imagine that he’d be able to get away with it? He would only need to comment here just once for his identity to be obvious to everyone who’s ever read his posts.

I think this is exactly what they refer to by the term “suicide by mod”. Funny concept, that, when you think about it. I mean if for whatever reason you decide you want to stop living, well then obviously you need to die, and you choose whatever means to achieve that. But if for whatever reason you decide that you don’t want to be around here on this forum, then surely simplest easiest way would be to just stop coming here. So what’s the point? (Another poster, in a discussion about this suicide by mod business, had mentioned to me that in the early days you’d get anti-JREF types, cultists presumably or CT nuts or whatever, who’d actively seek out bans as trophies to brandish around in whatever circles they frequented. No possibility of that here.)

On the other hand, who can say why he did any of what he did? Why did he go to such trouble to affect that crazy language? Why did he spend literally hours here (and in god knows how many other forums) spewing copy-pasted nonsense that couldn’t possibly benefit him in any way? Why did he insist on trying to insult everyone he exchanged words with? Why post lies that people could (and did) check out for themselves? I don’t think that “why” has any answer, perhaps not even to PGJ himself! I don’t know about you or the others here but, while his suspensions and ban were no doubt well deserved, I can’t help feeling just a bit sorry for the poor guy! He did try so hard to do whatever he imagined he was doing here at this forum.
 
Chanakya said:
Wonder why he did it? The sock puppet, I mean? Surely even he couldn’t have been so obtuse as to imagine that he’d be able to get away with it?
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His obtusity is well-attested.

Chanakya said:
I don’t know about you or the others here but, while his suspensions and ban were no doubt well deserved, I can’t help feeling just a bit sorry for the poor guy! He did try so hard to do whatever he imagined he was doing here at this forum.
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It is hard to understand why so many try so hard to waste others' time as well as their own, but there is no denying the phenomenon.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
His obtusity is well-attested.


It is hard to understand why so many try so hard to waste others' time as well as their own, but there is no denying the phenomenon.
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To be fair to him, the definition of “waste”, at least in the context of these forum discussions, is wholly subjective. Arguably any posts that are not strictly functional, any comments that don’t directly address some utilitarian ‘issue’ or directly help one add to one’s knowledge base, can be seen as a waste of time and effort. And that would include this brief discussion of ours. So ultimately, perhaps it is not so much a question of waste of time and effort, as of (lack of) concurrence with the others here about how and in what form to go about doing it.

On the other hand, to be fair to us, I don’t suppose this particular poster would be able to find that concurrence with anyone who doesn’t look back at him from inside a mirror. Nor do we pretend, either to ourselves or to others, that we’re doing anything earth-shakingly important when all we’re doing is simply gassing away, as right now.

At least he put up a hilariously entertaining show while he was here. I wish him good luck.
 
abaddon said:
Well, believe it or not, my contact with Bengio continues. As things sit, he has provided me with a literal avalanche of material to read on the topic of AI, because PGJ is no longer the topic. It will likely take me some months to wade through the sheer volume of material he has happily provided to me. I don't mind that in the slightest, happy to do so out of simple subject matter interest. It may be a while. I stand by (and it bears reiteration) the fact that Bengio is a really nice guy.
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Jealous. I know this stuff is the future of computing, but I just don't have the time or motivation to get into it.
 
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