Arab anger at Iraq torture photos

[The Fool]

I'm glad it's settled that fake photos in the Daily Mirror, a UK newspaper, are proof of US abuse.

Now, where can I go to get my lobotomy?

Are you still in denial phase? I think the US government has fessed up already...... Promising to spank the culprits etc....

 

[WildCat]

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Remember how dependant your country is upon oil.

Saudi Arabia looks like it might be getting tired of playing games with the US, which may help explain why the US wanted to install a sympathetic government in Iraq. But if the US can't do this, her going to be paying extra $$ for her oil... Unless she can demonstrate there's a reason why the Islam nations should od her any favours.

If push came to shove, the US is in a much better position to weather the storm than Saudi Arabia is. The economic difficulties of the majority of Saudis caused by the ruling kleptocracy is the root cause of all the discontent there (and which is being exported). If the US economy goes down it will take most of the world down with it, and I dare say the Saudi royalty would be one of the first casualties.

 

[gnome]

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Remember how dependant your country is upon oil.

Well, if the US is so dependant on oil, what is wrong with fighting a war to ensure its supply, like you claim the war in Iraq is?

I had a post on this in another thread, did you happen to catch it? Or are you interested?

 

[WildCat]

Hell, Magic Johnson is practically a National Hero for getting HIV from thousands of unprotected anal encounters with female fans. Have you ever heard any mention of the women that he might have given HIV to? Coz' I haven't.

Don't be so sure it was women...

 

[Mr Manifesto]

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If push came to shove, the US is in a much better position to weather the storm than Saudi Arabia is. The economic difficulties of the majority of Saudis caused by the ruling kleptocracy is the root cause of all the discontent there (and which is being exported). If the US economy goes down it will take most of the world down with it, and I dare say the Saudi royalty would be one of the first casualties.

You mean Saudi Arabia won't find another market for their oil?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

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Well, if the US is so dependant on oil, what is wrong with fighting a war to ensure its supply, like you claim the war in Iraq is?

Gosh, I don't know, what could possibly be wrong with killing people for oil?

 

[WildCat]

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You mean Saudi Arabia won't find another market for their oil?

They'd have to buy everyone in China an SUV to create a replacement.

 

[WildCat]

And remember, if the US economy goes down so does everyone else's.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

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They'd have to buy everyone in China an SUV to create a replacement.

Fool! You are forgetting that China has a population of billions, all of whom ride bicycles. Watch them convert to mopeds, and tremble!

 

[WildCat]

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Fool! You are forgetting that China has a population of billions, all of whom ride bicycles. Watch them convert to mopeds, and tremble!

Have you ever seen how they drive over there? After a few months ther'd only be a few dozen left. The "Great Chinese Demolition Derby"!

 

[Crossbow]

Where were the chanting, dancing, cackling, stone-age freaks when our POWs were having their eardrums punctured 13 years ago?

A subtle distinction that may have eluded your fine eye for detail is that 13 years ago, the torture was being done by Iraqis to Americans;
whereas this time it is Americans who are torturing Iraqis.

OK now?

Another small point, is that I think that this is the first time in the history of the USA, where Americans had been so blantly caught violating the Geneva Convention and many of their own rules and regulations concerning the treatment of POWs.

 

[Skeptic]

Another small point, is that I think that this is the first time in the history of the USA, where Americans had been so blantly caught violating the Geneva Convention and many of their own rules and regulations concerning the treatment of POWs.

Two words: "My Lai".

I hope I'm spelling that correctly.

 

[varwoche]

I'm glad it's settled that fake photos in the Daily Mirror, a UK newspaper, are proof of US abuse.

Now, where can I go to get my lobotomy?

Even administration officials have been duped. Bush is out making apologies, innocent soldiers may be facing court martials, and all because of trumped up charges based on fake photos. It's like some sort of mass hallucination. Someone should call the white house and clue them in.

 

[Bottle or the Gun]

Maybe it should have been photos of prisoners and family members being fed into wood chippers. Oh, wait....previous regime, my bad.

The news said that there are something like 20 open probes into prisoner abuse going on, which isn't a bad statistic for a war zone. One of the unfortunate situations is that odds are there are or will be a justified incident (prisoner hurt as a result of attacking, etc) and the soldier is going down because of world opinion.

I'm pretty disgusted at how the rating-hungry media is pushing the story. Reporters are up there in front of the world like it is the Nuremburg trials. The photos need to be public, the story needs to get out, but not how it is being portrayed. One thing the photos show is that America cleans it's own house. Investigations were already underway. America I know does not tolerate or condone such actions. The events in the prison were stupid and unfortunate, but not deserving of this king of play.

 

[varwoche]

America I know does not tolerate or condone such actions.

Of course it does. (Torture in general.)

It is well known that captives are routinely "loaned" to "friends" Egypt, Morocco, and Jordan for torture. Why it is that this transparent charade makes it a-ok remains a mystery to me.

 

[Bottle or the Gun]

Of course it does. (Torture in general.)

It is well known that captives are routinely "loaned" to "friends" Egypt, Morocco, and Jordan for torture. Why it is that this transparent charade makes it a-ok remains a mystery to me.

America 'loans' out it's prisoners for torture? Or are they extradited under agreements and treaty because the other governments also need to gain intel from a person? If Morocco wants to talk to someone in our custody because they believe he blew up marketplace for the Jihad, well....That's the biz, sweetheart.

If America wanted to torture someone for intel they would, almost certainly have, and there is no need to out-source it. As for institutionalized torture, it isn't policy in the US like it is in other countries. The Geneva convention, diplomatic immunity and other agreements exist only because America is just about the only country that tries to act civilized fair in war and peace.

Steal a keychain in America and get a fine. Steal one in Iraq and get hands cut off. Torture a family in front of a guy in America, and go to jail, at the least. Do the same almost anywhere else and get a promotion.

What jail would you rather be in right now? The one run by the US soldiers where you run the risk of being 'loaned' out like a DVD from Blockbuster or the one run by Saddamm?

Life expectancy in Abu Girahb prison when controlled by America: No expiration date.

Life expectancy in Abu Girahb prison when controlled by Saddamm: May not live to see sunrise. Your entire family and friends also may not live to see tomorrow.

 

[Graham]

America 'loans' out it's prisoners for torture? Or are they extradited under agreements and treaty because the other governments also need to gain intel from a person? If Morocco wants to talk to someone in our custody because they believe he blew up marketplace for the Jihad, well....That's the biz, sweetheart.

If America wanted to torture someone for intel they would, almost certainly have, and there is no need to out-source it. As for institutionalized torture, it isn't policy in the US like it is in other countries. The Geneva convention, diplomatic immunity and other agreements exist only because America is just about the only country that tries to act civilized fair in war and peace.

Steal a keychain in America and get a fine. Steal one in Iraq and get hands cut off. Torture a family in front of a guy in America, and go to jail, at the least. Do the same almost anywhere else and get a promotion.

What jail would you rather be in right now? The one run by the US soldiers where you run the risk of being 'loaned' out like a DVD from Blockbuster or the one run by Saddamm?

Life expectancy in Abu Girahb prison when controlled by America: No expiration date.

Life expectancy in Abu Girahb prison when controlled by Saddamm: May not live to see sunrise. Your entire family and friends also may not live to see tomorrow.

Most of your post was complete rubbish but I thought the bolded part stood out as being particularly stupid.

Well done.

Graham

 

[varwoche]

America 'loans' out it's prisoners for torture? Or are they extradited under agreements and treaty because the other governments also need to gain intel from a person? If Morocco wants to talk to someone in our custody because they believe he blew up marketplace for the Jihad, well....That's the biz, sweetheart.

I'm NOT referring to an extradition scenario. Here's an article (wa post).

In other cases, usually involving lower-level captives, the CIA hands them to foreign intelligence services -- notably those of Jordan, Egypt and Morocco -- with a list of questions the agency wants answered. These "extraordinary renditions" are done without resort to legal process and usually involve countries with security services known for using brutal means.

 

[c0rbin]

I am reminded of another "invading" army rolling through the idyllic, if damp, Belgian country side.

You see, this army would approch a town or village and some angry citizen, much like the angry Iraqis, would pop off a round or two at the passing soldiers.

The "invading" officers would then turn out all of the men in that villiage and decimate them--or sometimes completely anihilate them.

The images I have seen are humiliating, but a far cry from what I would call torture. To be sure, I would not want to be on the bottom row of a man-meat pyramid.

But it sure as hell beats some alternatives that I can pluck out of my layman's knowledge of man's in-humanity to man.

 

[ceptimus]

Faked Pics?

Bush has 'apologised' on Arab TV (though he never used the word, 'sorry').

Blair has said the torture and degrading treatment is unacceptable, even though an investigation into the Pics is still going on.

Neither of the leaders would have taken this action (IMO) unless at least some of the photographs are known to be genuine.