Another unarmed black man shot

Mumbles said:
Hm. Can we at least agree that he shouldn't have been shot, or even treated as a suspect for...some unspecified crime?
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Nope. Give Fox News and the alt-riecht some time and they'll dig up or fabricate some dirt on the deceased so justify the shooting.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Hard to tell exactly what happens as both views are blocked at the moment of the shooting. No obvious reason that they had their guns out to start with though. I suspect Manslaughter charges coming.
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I do not. The track record, more accurately the broken record, for unjust police shootings is poor. Heck, they even fire police officers that don't kill people.
 
Dave Rogers said:
According to the officer's lawyer, he failed to follow commands and reacted erratically.

This issue of not following commands seems to me to be a common excuse offered by police officers. Putting aside the rather more prosaic arguments that (a) it's wise to follow the instructions of someone who might shoot you if you don't and (b) police are scared that anything unpredictable may lead to a suspect opening fire, what duty is there in US Federal or Oklahoma state law to obey the commands of a police officer, and within what limits?

Dave
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A and B depend on the same factor. Survival. Fail to follow police orders, they will shoot you. They are likely to not suffer any consequence for it but you'll be dead. Of course, they may shoot you anyway.
 
This one is going to be called an accidental discharge. She fired when she heard the taser go off.

No way she popped him on purpose.

Plus she sounded panicked on the radio.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Yes, agreed, but my question was, what does the law mandate?

Dave
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People are to follow lawful orders given by police. However, police are not supposed to shoot people unless they believe the person is a threat to theirs or another's safety. Shooting people to if they fail to comply is not justified. There are non-lethal compliance tools and techniques. This is just my laymen's understanding of the law, and I believe it is the spirit of the law regardless of how it is worded.
 
Drewbot said:
This one is going to be called an accidental discharge. She fired when she heard the taser go off.

No way she popped him on purpose.

Plus she sounded panicked on the radio.
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She should be charged. There was no need for her to have the firearm brandished and no reason for her to have a finger on the trigger. This is, likely, a case of piss-poor training along with the fear of "the blacks."
 
Drewbot said:
This one is going to be called an accidental discharge. She fired when she heard the taser go off.

No way she popped him on purpose.

Plus she sounded panicked on the radio.
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Negligent discharge. No such thing as an accidental discharge if you're holding a functional firearm.
 
NoahFence said:
Why were they drawn to begin with??


They're murderers. Plain and simple.
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It is always good to make a judgement like that when all the facts are not known.

We don't know yet what happened before the video and we don't know what happened by the car. Aside from the fact he was shot and killed. It is hard to see what if anything could have justified the shooting.
 
Puppycow said:
This one is all on video too and the video was released almost immediately in contrast to The Milwaukee shooting where they say they won't release the body cam video until after the investigation.

Video released in fatal police shooting of unarmed Oklahoma man Terence Crutcher



Watching the video, the man did have his hands up most of the time, but he seems to reach into his car and that's when they shot him. He may have been confused and disoriented (intoxicated perhaps, but maybe it's a medical issue). Looks like another poster boy for Black Lives Matter.

I'm sure the officer's lawyer will argue that she feared for her safety when he reached into the car thinking he was going for a weapon. All just a tragic mistake. One of the officers is recorded saying "That looks like a bad dude, too," just prior to the shooting.
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US Cops are a fear-filled bunch, aren't they?
 
eeyore1954 said:
It is always good to make a judgement like that when all the facts are not known.

We don't know yet what happened before the video and we don't know what happened by the car. Aside from the fact he was shot and killed. It is hard to see what if anything could have justified the shooting.
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We know the police themselves have said he was unarmed, and there were no weapons in the car.

So yes, we have those facts. And they're the ONLY facts that are required when asking whether or not this man should have been shot and killed.
 
eeyore1954 said:
And also why were so many police called to the scene and why was a gun drawn in the first place while he was being walked to the car.
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Based on the facts we have so far I find the scale of response pretty crazy too. Not only are there a bunch of cops on the ground, they called in a police helicopter! I've seen full SWAT responses to a guy barricaded in a home with a gun a few blocks from me that still didn't result in police air presence.
 
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