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another kook for you guys to 'debunk'

Bee dunker dee-baiting tactic No. 5:

When made to look like a complete idiot, get tag-team partner to interject with completely irrelevant diversion.
 
It's not an irrelevant diversion, it's showing you an example of how retarded this line of "it hasn't happened before in history" 'logic' is. It proves absolutely nothing. You should go back to failing physics.
 
I've been warning you about the flawed logic that comes with that "first in history" argument ergo. When you start producing examples without actually knowing about them first it makes you non-credible period. This has been a consistent problem arising from not only you, but pretty much any "expert" that decides to side with these theories.
 
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Scene: Therapist's couch.

"I - I'm a little ashamed to admit it, but I....I'm told I've been abusing precedents!" :scared:

"Abusing PRESIDENTS??!"

"No! No! PRECEDENTS! I've been abusing PRECEDENTS!
 
ergo said:
You apparently don't understand what you're talking about. You TEACH people "fire science"? That's frightening.
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I understand that education can be very frightening for you, but really, it's ok, it won't hurt you, I swear.


ergo said:
Heh. This is too funny. Bee dunkers, read closely:


The study that I myself have linked to several times. No total collapses of any steel-framed buildings other than WTC, by anything, let alone fire.
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You didn't read it, did you?

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Kader Toy Factory, again. No mention of complete collapse.
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You didn't read it, did you?

ergo said:
FEA modeling. As far as I can tell, there is no mention of any fire here, let alone building collapses by fire.
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You didn't read it, did you?

ergo said:
Just mentions all the examples that we've already debunked. LOL.
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I participated in that thread. All you did was run around and cluck like a chicken.

ergo said:
Fire modeling. No real building. No real collapse.
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You didn't read it, did you?

ergo said:
More modeling. Real buildings are referenced. All the ones, partial, that we already know about, including the only steel-framed buildings in the world to experience complete collapse by fire: WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7. What a SURPRISE!
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You didn't read it, did you?

ergo said:
I've learned you don't seem to have a clue what it is you're trying to find; you don't seem to understand your own research; and... YOU STILL HAVEN'T FOUND A SINGLE EXAMPLE outside of WTC of a complete collapse by FIRE of a steel-framed structure !! :D
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I pointed you to plenty of fires that caused steel framed items to completly collapse.

I am sorry that you don't understand this. I know, education is scary for you. I get it. What I don't understand, is why you insist on using this "First time in history" BS argument.

Find me a spcecraft that suffered a complete failure due to o-ring failure prior to 1986.

I'll wait.....
 
Ergo, look at the examples again. All the steel structure in the smaller buildings collapsed collapased. That is important. WTCs 1.2 and 7 were steel framed buildings. If they had been partly concrete framed then you would have an argument.
 
ergo said:
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FAIL
No seriously you have me interested.
You specifically cited the Windsor tower because "it did not collapse"
This suggests you knew about its construction and should therefore be capable of telling us all about it.
Or do you have any good excuses to entertain us with for not doing research on any of the buildings you brought up, for example, that the windsor tower was a reinforced concrete building, and not steel beyond the perimeter columns on the upper floors I'd like to hear it now. :)

Seriously, you guys criticize us for not doing research, this is pretty sad when the same people can't stay with their own standards
 
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triforcharity said:
You didn't read it, did you?
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Yes, I did.

You didn't read it, did you?
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Yes, I did.

You didn't read it, did you?
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Didn't need to.

I pointed you to plenty of fires that caused steel framed items to completly collapse.
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You've pointed us to none. Furthermore, you claimed there were "hundreds" of examples and you were going to produce them. Instead, you simply regurgitate the ones we've already debunked.

You claim to be a "fire science" instructor. You haven't been able to point out a SINGLE EXAMPLE of a steel-framed building collapsing completely from fire.

Do you need that repeated?

YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN A SINGLE OTHER EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE BUILDING COLLAPSE BY FIRE.

You claim that there are "HUNDREDS". Is this what you tell your students? Where are your "hundreds"?

Let readers take note: Often bee dunkers are simply making **** up.
 
Man I finally have some time to myself: youhou!

Here is my on-ontologically (and eminently) epistemological of my my two-coin answers:

If you converse with a kook, in virtual or real-time, then what are you?
 
I guess you DO need it repeated.

YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN A SINGLE OTHER EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE BUILDING COLLAPSE BY FIRE.

Does anyone need that translated into bee dunker??
 
ergo said:
Yes, I did.



Yes, I did.



Didn't need to.



You've pointed us to none. Furthermore, you claimed there were "hundreds" of examples and you were going to produce them. Instead, you simply regurgitate the ones we've already debunked.

You claim to be a "fire science" instructor. You haven't been able to point out a SINGLE EXAMPLE of a steel-framed building collapsing completely from fire.

Do you need that repeated?

YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN A SINGLE OTHER EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE BUILDING COLLAPSE BY FIRE.

You claim that there are "HUNDREDS". Is this what you tell your students? Where are your "hundreds"?

Let readers take note: Often bee dunkers are simply making **** up.
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I posted a couple of other questions that you have conveniently ignored.

Why should I spend more time to show steel structures that have suffered failure from fire, when the ones that I post that are easily researched, you handwave away like a goddamn chicken running from a fox?

Go back, READ all of the information that I have posted, and try to understand it. To date, you have not.
 
ergo said:
Does anyone need that translated into bee dunker??
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Since "first time in history" automatically rules out everything that has every happened for a first time on this planet......
 
triforcharity said:
I posted a couple of other questions that you have conveniently ignored.

Why should I spend more time to show steel structures that have suffered failure from fire, when the ones that I post that are easily researched, you handwave away like a goddamn chicken running from a fox?
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Your points have been made about the capacity of steel to weaken from fire. I understand that localized collapses and roof collapses can occur from fires.

We are simply pointing out that the complete collapse of a major steel-framed structure from fire has no precedent, and that three major steel highrise collapses on a single day from minor fires is therefore not terribly credible. Someone has some 'splainin to do, and they have not properly done it.
 
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