I was given a prescription for ADD called adderall and it made me lose about 80 pounds in about a month and a half without any change in my physical activity. I run about 3-5 miles every 2-3 days and I lift weights every now and then but that medication had to be what caused the weight loss.
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rjh01
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A quote from the link above
"People think they can just fool the body. But maybe the body isn't fooled," she says. "If you are not giving your body those calories you promised it, maybe your body will retaliate by wanting more calories. Some soft drink studies do suggest that diet drinks stimulate appetite."
"People think they can just fool the body. But maybe the body isn't fooled," she says. "If you are not giving your body those calories you promised it, maybe your body will retaliate by wanting more calories. Some soft drink studies do suggest that diet drinks stimulate appetite."
El Greco
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I'd like to see these studies, because my search hasn't found anything conclusive.
When you are hypocaloric you are going to get hungry. Period. The most important factor that controls appetite is how many calories you get. It's that simple. Filler foods, lots of water and other liquids, meal timing or frequency, macronutrient ratios, even the Atkins or keto approaches of virtually no carbs, won't blunt significantly your appetite. Because, as Lyle McDonald loves to say, your body hates you. It still thinks that fat is good and it will stubbornly refuse to lose it without a fight. The mechanism which controls hunger is a very complicated one, involving lots of hormones and peptides. But the crux of the matter is that when you diet down eventually you *will* be hungry, simply because you take less calories. So, I'd be very interested in seeing conclusive studies with humans showing that diet sodas raise your appetite *more* than what diet already does.
When you are hypocaloric you are going to get hungry. Period. The most important factor that controls appetite is how many calories you get. It's that simple. Filler foods, lots of water and other liquids, meal timing or frequency, macronutrient ratios, even the Atkins or keto approaches of virtually no carbs, won't blunt significantly your appetite. Because, as Lyle McDonald loves to say, your body hates you. It still thinks that fat is good and it will stubbornly refuse to lose it without a fight. The mechanism which controls hunger is a very complicated one, involving lots of hormones and peptides. But the crux of the matter is that when you diet down eventually you *will* be hungry, simply because you take less calories. So, I'd be very interested in seeing conclusive studies with humans showing that diet sodas raise your appetite *more* than what diet already does.
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Weight change = calories in - calories out. Period.
All the other related concepts like insulin resistance, glucose indexs, leptin levels, will only explain the hunger cycles and appetite surges- "why we eat", not weight changes. Cetainly, when I get low enough glucose, I CAN drink a jar of strawberry jam, but the hypoglycemia does not make my stomache send me 'eat now' messages. Those come on schedule, from habit, and are not related to glucose levels. The low sugar shakiness works through a mental process, I know I ought to eat then, but it's not the normal hunger.
While I did best on the Zone diet, more appetite suppresion would be a good thing. Anybody got any drug samples?
I do believe that the metabolism of food digestion starts with the taste buds (seven kinds?) that send messages to the brain, which sends messages to the pancreas/liver/stomache as to which enzymes to put out. Some medicines even interupt these pathways to control sugar conversions. So, I'd think artificial sweeteners COULD cause some kind of changes.....Maybe if we made cooking fats taste like sugar, we wouldn't digest the fats? Or did they try something like that with an artificial fat- it caused bloating and anal leakage? Digestion tracts are not that simple....
All the other related concepts like insulin resistance, glucose indexs, leptin levels, will only explain the hunger cycles and appetite surges- "why we eat", not weight changes. Cetainly, when I get low enough glucose, I CAN drink a jar of strawberry jam, but the hypoglycemia does not make my stomache send me 'eat now' messages. Those come on schedule, from habit, and are not related to glucose levels. The low sugar shakiness works through a mental process, I know I ought to eat then, but it's not the normal hunger.
While I did best on the Zone diet, more appetite suppresion would be a good thing. Anybody got any drug samples?
I do believe that the metabolism of food digestion starts with the taste buds (seven kinds?) that send messages to the brain, which sends messages to the pancreas/liver/stomache as to which enzymes to put out. Some medicines even interupt these pathways to control sugar conversions. So, I'd think artificial sweeteners COULD cause some kind of changes.....Maybe if we made cooking fats taste like sugar, we wouldn't digest the fats? Or did they try something like that with an artificial fat- it caused bloating and anal leakage? Digestion tracts are not that simple....
What about in diabetic case?
How much a normal person and a diabetic can use/absorb on taking say 3000 calories?
Are you asking me or Pat?
I offered no statements other than to introduce you to Pat. Stay focused Kumar.
What made you to introduce me to Pat?
If that was the question you wanted me to answer by quoting me, you should have asked.
I did so because Pat and you will have a lovely discourse, I am sure.
How?
We are discussing diet subject since ages. Is it back & forth? If yes, why we discuss again & again?
Anyway, I tried to find sense in Pat's post.
This is what I'm encouraging, sir. If you don't understand Pat's post, then ask more questions.
Carry on.
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Actually your metabolism could drop by about 25% (off the top of my mind, but I don't think it could drop more in most healthy individuals) and even this as a result of an extremely strict diet. Now, what most people confuse is what this means. If your maintenance calories are 2000 and you start a diet with 1500 kcals, it is possible that after a few weeks your maintenance will fall to let's say 1800 - especially if you don't train with weights. However, it will never fall below 1500 as a result of the diet. So you can't possibly get fatter if you stay at 1500, you'll be getting leaner all the time. At a diminishing rate, but leaner nevertheless.
What could happen that could make you gain some weight for a limited amount of time, is to stop your diet and increase your calories back to 2000, which of course is now above your maintenance level. But even that temporarily hypercaloric phase won't last too long; In a few days you will be back to normal. Even overfeeding for just 6 hours is enough to raise leptin to nearly normal levels. The net result of such a dietary manipulation will always be weight loss. The horror stories of people who got fatter as a result of a strict diet are pure urban legends. What usually happens is that people who follow a 1500 kcals diet for 1 month, upon the end of the dieting phase will relax and allow themselves to gorge for the next month gaining whatever they may have lost and more.
And I'd really like to see one adult who got fat with 800 kcals. Just one.