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hawkins_anderson

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When all is said and done, what do you honestly think happens after we die? If there is no afterlife, then what do you speculate exists or doesn't exist?
 
I speculate that my funeral happens, and people better cry.

I figure existence goes on much the same without me as it did with me. For me, there's no happenings, though, because there is no me.
 
hawkins_anderson said:
If there is no afterlife, then what do you speculate exists or doesn't exist?
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If there is no afterlife, then all that exists is what is here during life, by definition. Is that what you're asking?
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
I speculate that my funeral happens, and people better cry.

I figure existence goes on much the same without me as it did with me. For me, there's no happenings, though, because there is no me.
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Works for me.
 
A fool's concept though but even when we sleep, we dream and exist, of sorts, in such ways. If there is no afterlife as scripted in the bible, what do you think happens to our sense of human consciousness?
 
hawkins,

I have a question for you. Why does it matter? What will the various possibilities mean for your day to day life?

TS
 
Dancing David said:
Decomposition, memory for others of us, life ends and other life continues...
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Do we exists as a mess of jumbled dreamlike frequencies that only live on so long as the brain lives on before it decomposes? If there is another life that continues, what is that life and how are we made sentient of said life?
 
TruthSeeker said:

Why does it matter? What will the various possibilities mean for your day to day life?

TS
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Nothing. So what? By that logic, we should never listen to music, or look at a painting, because it doesn't mean anything for our day to day life, it isn't needed for us to exist. It's just something to do / think about.
 
Originally posted by hawkins_anderson
A fool's concept though but even when we sleep, we dream and exist, of sorts, in such ways. If there is no afterlife as scripted in the bible, what do you think happens to our sense of human consciousness?
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Since the material that forms my sens of human consciousness (my brainmeats) will decompose, there will be nowhere for my sense of human consciousness to exist. You might as well ask what happens to the dozenness of a dozen eggs after you make a two-egg omelette.
 
TruthSeeker said:
hawkins,

I have a question for you. Why does it matter? What will the various possibilities mean for your day to day life?

TS
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Life, in a sense, is defined by our sense of intellect but that does not always mean we are wise to the true nature of a thing. "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" (Socrates). In understanding the unknown of what is to come is to better understand our respective life situations in the here and now (or so I tell myself. LOL). Just for the sake of argument, what life is there to come and how do our dreams rather than the bible foreshadow said life to come? What is the true nature of a dream?
 
If I am buried in the ground according to my wishes in a simple cardboard box without embalming, my body's tissues, organs and such continue to exist for a short while, offering sustinance to a multitude of organsims

"Your worm is your only emperor for diet: we fat all
creatures else to fat us, and we fat ourselves for
maggots: your fat king and your lean beggar is but
variable service, two dishes, but to one table:
that's the end...

A man may fish with the worm that hath eat of a
king, and cat of the fish that hath fed of that worm...

Nothing but to show you how a king may go a
progress through the guts of a beggar..." from Hamlet Act IV Scene iii


From the earth I came, and to the earth I shall return.
 
metropolis_part_one said:


Nothing. So what? By that logic, we should never listen to music, or look at a painting, because it doesn't mean anything for our day to day life, it isn't needed for us to exist. It's just something to do / think about.
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No, just the opposite. WE should live our day to day lives to the utmost both in terms of our behaviour and our pleasures. We should not let what comes next determine what we do today. So many people do good and avoid bad because of the hope of heaven and the threat of hell. What I meant to imply was that we should lead equally good and rich lives regardless of whether there is no afterlife, reincarnation, heaven, hell etc.

Does that make sense?
 
TruthSeeker said:


No, just the opposite. WE should live our day to day lives to the utmost both in terms of our behaviour and our pleasures. We should not let what comes next determine what we do today. So many people do good and avoid bad because of the hope of heaven and the threat of hell. What I meant to imply was that we should lead equally good and rich lives regardless of whether there is no afterlife, reincarnation, heaven, hell etc.

Does that make sense?
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The funny thing is most people do not avoid doing bad because if they did then most of the laws we have on the books would, like the threat of a future afterlife, would deter them from committing acts of evil and to live soley in terms of our behaviors and our pleasures is to live a life that has no boundaries or true consequences which also in turn explains many of the things that currently are going on in the world today, especially in the news. And so I say even without the fear of future consequences for your behaviors and pleasure seeking, what what do you speculate exists in what is to come or not come?
 
I have seen no convincing evidence for an afterlife, for heaven or for hell or for reincarnation. I am open to receiving and examining such evidence.

In the meantime, I try to live my life in such a way that, regardless of what happens next, I can be proud of my actions and feel that I lived my life.
 
TruthSeeker said:
I have seen no convincing evidence for an afterlife, for heaven or for hell or for reincarnation. I am open to receiving and examining such evidence.

In the meantime, I try to live my life in such a way that, regardless of what happens next, I can be proud of my actions and feel that I lived my life.
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Please entertain the mere notion for a moment. What could it hurt? THis is a topic that has no boundaries and discusses behaviors and pleasure seeking. Without defining such things through the scripted scenarios provided for us about the afterlife as mandated by the bible, what do you think is to come or not come? For instance, let's say it's like with dreaming. We are unconscious in our sleep and yet we live, so to speak, in our dreams. What is the true nature of a dream and how might such fleeting things determine what is to come?
 
hawkins_anderson said:


The funny thing is most people do not avoid doing bad because if they did then most of the laws we have on the books would, like the threat of a future afterlife, would deter them from committing acts of evil and to live soley in terms of our behaviors and our pleasures is to live a life that has no boundaries or true consequences which also in turn explains many of the things that currently are going on in the world today, especially in the news. And so I say even without the fear of future consequences for your behaviors and pleasure seeking, what what do you speculate exists in what is to come or not come?
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Depends what you mean by bad. I've not killed anyone but I've stolen small value items. I try not to hurt people physically but have deliberately hurt someone's feelings.

The thing that modifies my behaviour and limits my transgressions to what I consider minor ones is not fear of retribution in the next life but fear of consequences (direct and indirect) in this one. Some of my worst decisions relate to times when I failed to take into account consequences and did something because I was mad at someone or thing.

Some people don't do this and are classed as immoral (if they should know better) or amoral (if they shouldn't) of course these classifications are relative to society's current standards. Behaviour which is quite acceptable in the UK sould be unthinkable in Saudi Arabia and vice versa.

I am certain that there is no afterlife and that as Traidboy so eloquently but it "Worms play pinochle on your snout".
 
hawkins_anderson said:


Please entertain the mere notion for a moment. What could it hurt? THis is a topic that has no boundaries and discusses behaviors and pleasure seeking. Without defining such things through the scripted scenarios provided for us about the afterlife as mandated by the bible, what do you think is to come or not come? For instance, let's say it's like with dreaming. We are unconscious in our sleep and yet we live, so to speak, in our dreams. What is the true nature of a dream and how might such fleeting things determine what is to come?
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Dreaming is created by a functioning nervous system perhaps to aid in memory consolidation and learning, perhaps to express forbidden impulses or longed-for scenarios or our deepest fears and anxieties (many theories...). The dead do not have a functioning nervous system. I do not see how dreaming informs about the afterlife. Perhaps I am slow. Sorry.
 
hawkins_anderson said:


Do we exists as a mess of jumbled dreamlike frequencies that only live on so long as the brain lives on before it decomposes? If there is another life that continues, what is that life and how are we made sentient of said life?
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Welcome HA! I haven't greeted you before.

I am not the one to ask the question, I do not believe that any of the evidence for life after death has passed my criteria for evidence.
 
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