Amother psychic solves murder thread

[Mudcat]

I don't know how these things work. It seems like, if the dead girl knew where her body was buried, she probably know who dug the hole. But, I'll have to rely on the expert psychics to explain it all.

One could make the case that the trauma of their murder caused the ghostly victim to forget much of what happened to them leading up to their death.

 

[TX50]

after you die there's some kind of confidentiality agreement.

So, not so much an NDE as an NDA?

 

[marplots]

One could make the case that the trauma of their murder caused the ghostly victim to forget much of what happened to them leading up to their death.

You are better at this than I am.

 

[Reno]

another mother???

a brother from another mother?

 

[dlorde]

If I was the psychic who'd solved the crime, I'd want some of that reward money... er, for charity, naturally.

 

[Lukas1986]

Kristy Robinett communicates with the dead

The same Kristy Robinett made at least so far I found a nonsense prediction like this which was very vague:

The renowned psychic and author [Kristy Robinett], who lives and works in Plymouth, Mich., thinks she knows what happened.

“I do believe that the plane was hijacked by several onboard (more than three, along with one master mind who was not on board),” she told CBS Detroit in an email Tuesday.

Robinett cushioned the information by saying “nothing is absolute. Not all psychics or mediums have the same “strength” to their abilities. Thus one may “see” something others may miss. And then there is the impressions we receive that must then be interpreted by the said seer.”

As with the rest of the psychics, her visions are no more helpful than my guesses or anyone else’s made up claims based on the information already given to the public. Worthless.

Taken from: http://doubtfulnews.com/2014/03/psychics-comment-on-missing-plane/

So its better to take what she says with extreme skepticism because she also makes a living out of it. Here are some of her books:

http://www.amazon.com/Kristy-Robinett/e/B0030JGDMC

Her bio on Coast to Coast AM:

Kristy Robinett is a revolutionary psychic medium and author whose involvement with the paranormal began at the age of 3 when she began playing and communicating with spirits, labeled imaginary friends by her parents, which was totally unacceptable. Kristy specializes in bringing humor to what most fear and inspires all ages to ignite the light within them so that the fire of inspiration continues on. It's Kristy’s down to earth style, honesty, sense of humor and warmth that makes her a sought out coach and speaker. Kristy has worked with a number of paranormal teams throughout the United States on paranormal cases, along with law enforcement as a psychic detective and psychic profiler. Kristy has been profiled on many radio and television shows. She also teaches psychic development and paranormal investigating at local colleges.

Taken from: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/robinett-kristy/58370

So I am extreme skeptical of it.

 

[meg]

It would have been so easy for Robinett to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that she'd pointed out the right spot. All she would have had to do was write up a document stating the exact location of the body and have the document dated and notarized. GPS would have been easy to get with a cellphone, TomTom, or even just figured out with a good map. Even just good map coordinates would have worked fine. Two years later when they found the bodies, we could then check the GPS or map coordinates of where the bodies were found and compare it with the GPS /location stated in Robinetts notarized document. Piece of cake. The world would bow to her psychic powers.

Nope. Instead there's some babble about “light colored pine trees”. First I suppose we can question does she actually mean actual pine trees? Or is she, like many people do, calling any evergreen tree, including firs, arborvitae, juniper, cedars, hemlock, and others “pines”? Is she including even those deciduous trees that have needle like foliage, like the larch, redwood, or cypress, whose foliage fades and drops every fall?

Did you know that all evergreens, including pines, change their color throughout the year, depending on weather, time of year, heat, drought, and other environmental stressors? “Light colored pines” is about as vague and useless as “near water” or “I see some kind of a shack or toolshed”.

So Ashley was killed in June 2004. Sometime in 2005 Robinett decides to leech off the worried and grieving family, and poke her moneygrubbing nose into it. She says she went to some undisclosed place in Ohio with “light colored pines” and decided that was the place Howley was buried. Were these pines light colored in 2004 when Howley died? In 2005 when Robinett visited? In 2008 when her body was found? Or the whole time? Did Robinett take pictures of the place to prove she was there? Did Robinett do anything at all to document the exact spot? What record is there that she showed “officials” that spot? Does a park ranger count as “officials”?

No. Instead, after the body was found over two years later, she just 'remembers' “Yup! That's the spot I picked! I knew it!”

I'd also like to point out that the body was found in a residential area North of Columbus, OH north of Edgecliff Drive, near 315. Looking at that area on google maps, the closest area that might have a park ranger (who allegedly led Robinett to the spot with light colored pines) is across the Olentangy River in Highbanks Metro Park. If the park ranger led them to the proper spot, he/she would have had to put them in a vehicle and driven them a significant distance (several miles) out of the park in order to get a bridge across the river to drive to the spot in the residential neighborhood where the body was found.

 

[Craig4]

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. It would not have taken a large leap in deduction, however.

That's sort of my point. If boyfriend is already the prime suspect, the park behind his house isn't much of a leap in logic.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Robinett certainly was involved in the case to some degree as early as 11/08/2005 per posts here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?26525-OH-Ashley-Howley-20-Columbus-2004

The posts consist of 1) asking for people to provide information, 2) a comment about the police not following leads, 3) a copy of the newspaper article when the remains were identified. No mention of being a psychic (although it has a link to her former TangledWishes website). No mention of a belief that the body was buried at a specific location. The newspaper article indicates that family and friends had long believed the body was buried behind the boyfriend’s father’s house, but we don’t know where the paper got that information and it was after new of the remains had been made public anyway.

One curious thing is that the newspaper article mentions that the area was search by police cadaver dogs in August 2004 and turned up nothing. The friend that turned in the killer certainly would have known when they buried the body, but I can’t find a date. It would have to have been between 06/16/2004 and October 2004 when MacMichael’s probation was revoked. However, I would think they would have buried the body there soon after the murder (but maybe not). Even thought he body was covered in quick-dry cement, I wouldn’t think dogs would miss it. But it appears the body was somewhat off the father’s property, so the police may have only had a warrant for the father’s property and had not search further. It is still a bit curious that the psychic would identify the burial place as a location that had already been searched by dogs.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Devils Advocate yes there is proof she made the prediction ,in so much as her and a member of the family went to the place where her remains were found(in the future)and also the park ranger has spoke out of this,and she indicated "This is the spot" She claimed the girl's ghost was telling her,even though the actual place was 100feet away!

Where is this information? Which family member did she go with? To whom did she indicate “this is the spot”? What, exactly, did she identify as “the spot” (a specific place, an area of the property, the property itself, the general neighborhood, etc.)?

Were there light-colored pines where the body was found? The one image I have found of the burial doesn’t show any pines. I don’t know exactly where the body was found. Google Earth shows an area of trees near the river that appear lighter colored, but I can’t tell if they are pines. It doesn’t appear that area would be visible from the road (Although there could be a small open area that allows a very narrow view back into that area. Otherwise, it would require going onto private property to see it—unless you came across the river after going through Metro Park, but even then it appears you would have to climb the bank of the river to see that particular area.

Did they go onto the property? Was the park ranger there? I would highly doubt a park ranger would trespass on private property with other people.

Of course we still need to first find evidence that Robinett actually made the claim (at least some testimony from the family or park ranger) and then we can try to establish exactly what prediction was made.

 

[meg]

Robinett can't even keep straight when she went to Ohio.

According to the link in the OP, dated April 2014, Robinett says she “found” the burial site sometime in 2006.

[Robinett] said it was about two more years, when MacMichael was arrested for the other murders and offered a plea deal, that he revealed the location of Howley's remains, right where she had shown officials years earlier, she says.

She says the ranger helped them find the place with the light colored pines. No mention of dogs in this article.

According to a 2012 article, Robinett “found” the site in 2008 (four years after the girl had been reported missing and just months before the body was found): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...c-medium-begins-solving-crimes_n_1904892.html

...And according to Kristy, a young [dead] woman named Ashley came to her.
“She told me her name and that she’d been kidnapped and murdered,” Kristy recalled. “Her family thought she was missing and she wanted them to know the truth. I didn’t have much information to go on, but I started Googling and put in the words*Ashley, missing, about 20 years old. That’s when a Crime Stoppers photo came up and the picture was identical to the girl who had been standing next to me. Her name was Ashley Howley.
“I struggled with what to do, but I knew when I saw the picture that I had a hit. I emailed Crime Stoppers and said, ‘I swear I’m not crazy, I’m a psychic medium and I’d like to help the family.’”
That email led not only to the family, but to a metro park near Columbus, Ohio, where Kristy drew a map for park rangers showing them where she believed they’d find Ashley. She had been missing for four years.“At that point they asked me for my driver's license. I had never been to the park before. I had never even been to Columbus before, but the information I had was so specific that they thought I might be connected to the case.”
Eventually, Kristy led the family and the park rangers to the exact location where she believed Ashley was buried -- what she didn’t know, was that it was within sight of a home Ashley’s boyfriend had occasionally lived in. The rangers then released rescue dogs and they led them to the very same spot.
Yet nothing could be done. Unbeknownst to Kristy, the police had believed all along the boyfriend had been involved, but they needed evidence that could hold up in court. So they refused to break ground -- until months later, when he was arrested -- suspected of murdering his mother and her boyfriend. That’s when he took them to Ashley’s body, encased in concrete, in the very plot of land Kristy had led the rangers to.

She states that park rangers wanted to see her drivers license (allegedly because her knowledge of the park and burial site was so suspect), and that the rangers released “rescue dogs” that went to the same spot. City park rangers do not have “rescue dogs”. Nor would city park rangers troop around with a group of people and dogs on non-park property.

The body was not found in a park.

And looking at this again, “what she didn’t know, was that it was within sight of a home Ashley’s boyfriend had occasionally lived in. ”
What does “within sight” mean? That she was running around in the large park across the river from the burial site?

Anyway, it might be good to note that in April 2008:
April 3, 2008 http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2008/04/04/missing.html?sid=102

A friend of Howley's told Ramos that Howley's family is convinced the remains are hers because they were located so close to MacMichael's father's home.*

In other words, in 2008 the family knew where MacMichaels' father's home was, and that they suspected that area. I myself found the exact address by googling MacMichaels' full name. If indeed Robinett went to Ohio in 2008, it would be silly to think that she didn't know that MacMichaels was the prime suspect, or that his father had some property on the north side of town.

 

[jaydeehess]

Colour me suitably unimpressed in pointing to the most obvious suspect and vague reference to the most probable area of burial.

Does she go to the horse track and bet on the favourite to win as well?

 

[Mudcat]

You are better at this than I am.

I've given it a lot of thought about why ghosts and spirits would be unable to give a lot of verifiable information about their personal lives and their deaths. It was the most reasonable and logical explanation I could come up with.

 

[Azrael 5]

Did the psychic know the boyfriend had killed the girl?

He was police's main suspect and the cousin of the girl(who was contact of the psychic) knew this.
Even with the murdered girl's ghost helping her the psychic was still 100feet off the exact burial spot how does that work?!

 

[Azrael 5]

Robinett certainly was involved in the case to some degree as early as 11/08/2005 per posts here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?26525-OH-Ashley-Howley-20-Columbus-2004

The posts consist of 1) asking for people to provide information, 2) a comment about the police not following leads, 3) a copy of the newspaper article when the remains were identified. No mention of being a psychic (although it has a link to her former TangledWishes website). No mention of a belief that the body was buried at a specific location. The newspaper article indicates that family and friends had long believed the body was buried behind the boyfriend’s father’s house, but we don’t know where the paper got that information and it was after new of the remains had been made public anyway.

One curious thing is that the newspaper article mentions that the area was search by police cadaver dogs in August 2004 and turned up nothing. The friend that turned in the killer certainly would have known when they buried the body, but I can’t find a date. It would have to have been between 06/16/2004 and October 2004 when MacMichael’s probation was revoked. However, I would think they would have buried the body there soon after the murder (but maybe not). Even thought he body was covered in quick-dry cement, I wouldn’t think dogs would miss it. But it appears the body was somewhat off the father’s property, so the police may have only had a warrant for the father’s property and had not search further. It is still a bit curious that the psychic would identify the burial place as a location that had already been searched by dogs.

Good find DA. What is curious is linked article in my OP states she was awoken by Ashley's ghost,then went internet searching to try find who she was. On that websleuths post there's no mention of this and it is in the same year as her vision!

Then this:

Family and friends have long suspected that Ashley Howley, missing for nearly four years, was buried in woods near the Olentangy River just south of the Delaware County line.

Where did the psychic go looking...? Woods near the river! Hot reading anyone?

 

[Azrael 5]

If anyone wants to see the TV show related to this case here's the title It's available online I gather.
Restless Souls Ashley Howley.

 

[Olowkow]

These stories always get better through retelling. There was one case which I remember as being the "clincher" for psychic vision proponents. The strange story of Etta Louise Smith is often retold omitting certain details.

One of the most unusual “psychic” cases I [Joe Nickell] ever investigated was that of Etta Louise Smith. Actually Smith never claimed to be a psychic sleuth, but she allegedly had a one-time “vision” of a murder victim’s body. This was so accurate that it led to her arrest by Los Angeles police, although she was subsequently “vindicated” by a Los Angeles Superior Court jury.

Nickell makes reference to a good point (my bolded) at the end of this article about self-styled "psychics'" potential value in investigations.

That her alleged vision was a onetime occurrence would appear to support police suspicions, as would the failed polygraph test, especially the allegation that she was trying to control her breathing. Revealingly, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children cautions against completely ignoring such “psychic” tips, since the purported visions may be a cover for someone who is afraid or otherwise unwilling to become directly involved (Henetz 2002).

 

[Nay_Sayer]

He was police's main suspect and the cousin of the girl(who was contact of the psychic) knew this.
Even with the murdered girl's ghost helping her the psychic was still 100feet off the exact burial spot how does that work?!

Not very well. The article mentions a her vague "Near light colored pines" image, So no matter where the body is found close or far as long as said pines are in view she can count it as a hit.


It is worth noting no psychic, medium, tarot reader, palm reader,astrologist or prophet saw/predicted/warned anyone about 9/11.

 

[Azrael 5]

So with the dead girl's ghost advising her we still get afterlife charades.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It is worth noting no psychic, medium, tarot reader, palm reader,astrologist or prophet saw/predicted/warned anyone about 9/11.

Sollog did, although it was very vague. In 1998 he made a post to a newsgroup which read:

SOLLOG SAYS THAT ON 911 THERE WILL BE A GREAT EMERCENCY IN WASHINGTON
DC
ANOTHER GARAUNTEE FROM SOLLOG THE GOD OF ONE!!!!!

READ IT AND WEEP MORONS!!!!!

I've seen it dated myself, although the original thread now appears to have been deleted.

And there's also this guy who starts off like this:

From: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc)
Subject: 911
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
View this article only
Date: 2001-08-31 11:03:37 PST

Something is going to happen tomorrow. This is a witness against everyone on
this newsgroup. I hate this newsgroup, and everyone on it sucks. REPENT! You
are all evil liars! Do not be so evil, and be holy. You are going to get me
killed because of the truth of my mouth. I am not telling you what is going
to happen until it does, because an EVIL and adulterous generation seeks for
a sign.

Which was wrong, then goes on to post this:

From: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc)
Subject: Re: 911
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
View this article only
Date: 2001-09-04 12:40:28 PST

Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away
in seven days, and you will not hear from me again.

X

Which was posted exactly a week before 9/11 happened.

And then, once the planes had hit, posted this:

From: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc)
Subject: 911 GOD HELLP US!!!
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
View this article only
Date: 2001-09-11 07:43:26 PST

7 days ago I said in 7 days from then I would explain the meaning of my 911
prophecy. A witness against everyone in America!!! US, the cry of your sins
has reached unto heaven!!! Now I go away. The witness is thus completed.
After the witness, if the people don't repent, there will AN EVEN GREATER
witness, and an EVEN GREATER punishment if the people do not repent. (Of
course they wont! Only individuals repent, never the whole nation!) Don't be
stupid SUSA. Bin Laden is not responsible for these attacks. SATAN himself,
the GOD of the EARTH is responsible for these attacks, your own KING!! Check
your history, you'll see! They are a test to see if Americans are STUPID
ENOUGH to go to war with a completely INNOCENT country over it. To see if
America is STUPID ENOUGH to arrest INNOCENT people over it.

DAMN YOU CHRISTIANS!!!!!!
DAMN YOU POLICE MEN!!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN YOU GOVERNMENT WORKERS!!!
DAMN YOU MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN YOU TEACHERS!!!!!!!!
DAMN YOU CHRISTIANS!!!!!

The cup of your sin in almost full. God is going to pour out his wrath all
over America. Get the hell out right now. Do not be partakers of the sins.
Quit your jobs. Go out into the deserted areas of the earth. Live there
instead. The world will be destroyed. This is unavoidable. You can only try
to take a few people with you as you go. What more can you do?

X

Are either of them good prophecies? Not at all. Do they represent stopped-clock prophecies? Sure. But to say that nobody warned anybody about 9/11 isn't 100% accurate, as there are a couple of prophecies which were verifiably made before 9/11 which are fairly easy to twist into actual warnings about it.