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Allegations of nonconsensual sex on set of reality TV show

This was an episode of Law and Order: SVU

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5566130/


Man... what hasn't been an L&O episode? :confused:

Next up in the series... L&O: Reality TV. :rolleyes:

Or better, incoming CT... it'll be discovered that Dick Wolfe Productions has been committing various crimes for decades just to up their "ripped from the headlines" cred. :p

(It's possible that's the model "Dateline" shifted to a decade ago. :D )
 
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No, that's my point. Neither of them can use their drinking as an excuse for a sexual assault. That's legal theory 101. Self induced intoxication is to be disregarded as a mitigating excuse if you do stupid stuff and break the law.

But OTOH, you can in many countries, e.g Canada, be so intoxicated that you have been rendered incapable of consenting.

Do you spot the legal paradox?

That depends on what the level of intoxication is to be that. In general it is passing out. When one is unconscious one can not be sexually assaulting someone.
 
Would your comment imply that it is only being blackout drunk that should be a consideration for anyone in these situations? That someone merely very, very, very drunk, but still being able to slur out a few words and walk upright two times in three is entirely responsible for their actions in these situations?

Legally yes. One is always responsible for their actions.
 
How would she keep her head above the water if unconscious?
It's claimed that the guy kept her up and then lifted her out of the pool and onto the paving before the "event" took place. How true is that? Well, I have no idea. Reality TV is largely not real at all. That is why I detest it passionately.
 
Aren't reality tv contestants incapable of the basic human level of brain activity that would make them responsible for their actions?
 
It could get interesting at trial with a defense lawyer saying that nothing is actually real during reality TV production. "Unconsciousness" is just more acting and anyone can pretend to be "out of it". Nobody yells "cut" because she's doing a good acting bit.
 
Does anyone know what prevalence is of alcohol-induced amnesia. Not saying anything about this case directly, but I've never suffered it, and tend to think that some/many people use it as a "plausible excuse" for something they subsequently regret.

I think I've told this story on this forum before, but I've certainly experienced this multiple times (not that I remember it ;) ) One year in college I started drinking early one day during orientation week (when most upperclassmen are all in town, but classes haven't started because Freshmen are undergoing orientation), and blacked out by the early afternoon. However I was apparently up and about late into the night. Throughout the rest of the semester, I would keep meeting people I didn't know, but who knew me, and I'd had long conversations with that night. None of them had any clue I'd been blacked out, nor did I seem sloppy drunk to any of them.

The key thing, in my opinion, is that if someone is too drunk to consent, it doesn't matter if they are blacked out. You should be able to tell either way. If some girl hooked up with me that night, I think she would have been perfectly justified in thinking I was capable of consenting, based on the reconstruction of my mental state from what other people have said. However there have been other times I've been blackout drunk where it is clear I not only blacked out, but was a puddle. Anyone interacting with me could tell I was way too far gone to remotely have consensual sex.

All that being said, I would say the experience I described in my first paragraph is much less common than the experience I just described. There have been maybe 10-15 total times I have blacked out in my life, and as far as I know only like 3 have been "high functioning" blackouts. The fact of the matter is a blackout usually requires a high spike in BAC, which generally means getting sloppy drunk.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the OP though. It sounded to me like the woman in this case wasn't simply blacked out, but practically passed out while sexual interaction continued. That isn't some sort of grey area. Even if you think the guys mental state was mitigating (which I don't necessarily), the production team's mental state certainly wasn't. Can you be charged with something like accessory to sexual assault?
 
A trashy show featuring trashy contestants run by a trashy crew for trashy viewers. I think everyone got what they wanted here. It's hard for me to care.
 
Sounds like the producers should be criminally liable on multiple charges. Bartenders aren't supposed to overserve and can be criminally liable for resultant crimes in some jurisdictions. There's also the potential for alcohol poisoning, which is an outcome foreseeable by sober people in supervisory roles in a situation like this. There are good reasons that most businesses don't let the booze flow freely at office parties anymore.
 
Frankly I am amazed that, as far as I know, no one,at least in the US, has gotten killed competing in some stupid reality show.
 

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