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Afghani Eject Computer Experts

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Korean computer experts there to help the country set-up its computer needs have been asked to leave Afgghanistan on charges of attempted apostasy.

Which proves you can't help these people so why risk your life trying?

KABUL: August 7, 2006. Afghanistan has ordered hundreds of South Korean Christians on Sunday August 6, to leave the country yesterday, accusing them of seeking to undermine Islamic culture and trying to spread Christianity
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http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsdetails.php?newsid=866
 
Just remember. Afghanistan is now a free, democratic country. Anything claimed to the contrary is obviously a plot by the librul media to undermine the glorious leadership of President George W. Bush.

As an aside, it looks like the designers of that website stole some design ideas from the San Fran Chronicle.

http://www.sfgate.com/
 
Tony said:
Just remember. Afghanistan is now a free, democratic country. Anything claimed to the contrary is obviously a plot by the librul media to undermine the glorious leadership of President George W. Bush.
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Priming the pump, Tony? Where have you been hangin' around to have become so cynical?:rolleyes:
 
I see this as no different from the missionaries who were expelled from Indonesia (in spite of their good intentions) for spreading X-tianity after the tsunami. It seems that the aid of Christians always comes with a price tag - after all, you can't really expect them to do anything out of the goodness of their heart, right?

I'll side with the Afghani's on this one - religion has screwed up their lives long enough, and there is no reason to believe that Christianity would be any better.
 
Yeah, the Missionaries talk about their work in feeding the poor and helping the poor nations by building schools, but they always manage to build a church as well. Then they send in a load of Bibles to help these poor people know and spread the truth!
 
Mephisto said:
I see this as no different from the missionaries who were expelled from Indonesia (in spite of their good intentions) for spreading X-tianity after the tsunami. It seems that the aid of Christians always comes with a price tag - after all, you can't really expect them to do anything out of the goodness of their heart, right?
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There's a difference between, "I'll help you, and hey, take this free Bible -- if you choose to convert, then good for you!", and "Take this Bible, convert to our ways, or you get no supplies at all."

From what I've heard about Indonesia, the latter actually happened at least once. While I would prefer for there to be no religion, I do have to wonder what they mean by "converting"... just spreading an idea I don't see the harm with, but actually threatening harm (or threatening to not bring aid) if there are no conversions is wrong, IMO.

Then there's the question over whether Christianity is actually worse than the previous religion before it... or if the idea of the religion in the country being unquestionable is a better idea. I'm all for freedom of religion, instead of forcing everyone to follow a single one.
 
Having lived in the UAE, I can testify that while believers of Christian and other religions are tolerated, the attempted conversion of Muslims from the true path of Islam is frowned on.

As I recall, there were several arrests/deportations of Americans from the UAE for trying to pass out Bible/tracts to Muslims. The US Embassy made sure they weren't mistreated, but otherwise just waved bye-bye to the missionaries as they were loaded onto the jet plane out of country.

Sounds about the same for Afghanistan.
 
Tony said:
Just remember. Afghanistan is now a free, democratic country. Anything claimed to the contrary is obviously a plot by the librul media to undermine the glorious leadership of President George W. Bush.
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You're just a deranged Bush hater. Everything you say can be answered by that!
 
Lonewulf said:
There's a difference between, "I'll help you, and hey, take this free Bible -- if you choose to convert, then good for you!", and "Take this Bible, convert to our ways, or you get no supplies at all."

From what I've heard about Indonesia, the latter actually happened at least once. While I would prefer for there to be no religion, I do have to wonder what they mean by "converting"... just spreading an idea I don't see the harm with, but actually threatening harm (or threatening to not bring aid) if there are no conversions is wrong, IMO.

Then there's the question over whether Christianity is actually worse than the previous religion before it... or if the idea of the religion in the country being unquestionable is a better idea. I'm all for freedom of religion, instead of forcing everyone to follow a single one.
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You do remember the Afghani man who was nearly sentenced to death for his admission that he had converted to Christianity, don't you? :)
 
Charlie Monoxide said:
Don't underestimate the power of Cobol. It's earned me tons of money of the last 10 years (development/maintenance work).
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Java's done the same for me. The difference is that I don't have to shower for hours every day to try and wash the stink and shame off. :D
 
Lonewulf said:
Then there's the question over whether Christianity is actually worse than the previous religion before it... or if the idea of the religion in the country being unquestionable is a better idea. I'm all for freedom of religion, instead of forcing everyone to follow a single one.
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Well, I'd say that Christianity would be a slight improvement over Islam. Last time I checked, no christians in America threatened to kill someone for converting to Islam, while the same cannot be said for Islam in Afghanistan:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/26/afghan.convert/
 
Mephisto said:
You do remember the Afghani man who was nearly sentenced to death for his admission that he had converted to Christianity, don't you? :)
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Yes, I do. That was partly my point. I think that Afghanistan needs some reform, personally, and while I don't like the idea of "converting teh masses!", I don't see why what seems like peaceful conversions should be compared to harmful conversions (the type that encourages harm on others).

Walk the Line said:
Well, I'd say that Christianity would be a slight improvement over Islam. Last time I checked, no christians in America threatened to kill someone for converting to Islam, while the same cannot be said for Islam in Afghanistan
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Well, I'd say that America has no state religion, and does not punish others for following a different belief (or no belief). That's the concept behind Freedom of Religion, and it has little to do with the actual majority religion.

To do a good comparison, compare Christianity in America to Islam in a country is the majority in a country that actually officially has freedom of religion.
 
Lonewulf said:
Well, I'd say that America has no state religion, and does not punish others for following a different belief (or no belief). That's the concept behind Freedom of Religion, and it has little to do with the actual majority religion.
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Except that the freedom of religion in America came from a time when America was of predominately one religion (Christianity). In fact, many secular countries today come from countries that were highly Christian (a number of European nations come to mind). To me this shows that Christianity had the seeds within it to plant a world where freedom and tolerance are not idle concepts.

Islam may reach the same point eventually, but at the present, Christianity allows for more freedom and tolerance.

To do a good comparison, compare Christianity in America to Islam in a country is the majority in a country that actually officially has freedom of religion.
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To do a better comparison, compare Christianity in primarily Christian countries to Islam in primarily Islamic countries and see which countries are more tolerant of other religions. In my opinion, it's no contest. Christian countries as far more tolerant of other religions.

Thus, my comment that Christianity is better than Islam - because in some Islamic countries you'll be killed for converting.
 
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