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about jesus

ChristineR said:
You have stumbled upon one of the great religious debates of human history. The short answer is that it depends on which sect you belong to.

Not all Christians agree that Jesus was divine, as terms like "Children of God" are thrown about quite loosely.

Mark probably didn't think Jesus was divine at all, John clearly did.

The whole "God gets a human woman pregnant and she gives birth to a demigod" part comes from polytheistic Greek mythology. The Greeks had no problem with multiple deities.

Some monotheists claim Jesus was just God, that there's only one of them.

And then you have the trinity. There are three Gods, but really only one God.

Although it's irrelevant, some of the old references to the Old Testament deity YHWH do mention his wife.
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Also, there were some early Christian sects that believed that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph, who had knocked up Mary but was going to make an honest woman of her, and was adopted by Yahweh when he was baptized by John the Baptist.
 
The Great Hairy One said:
You forgot the Planet X option:

On Planet X, Jesus impregnated his own mother.

Actually, if you want to watch a fundamentalist explode with impotent fury, describe the whole event as "the rape of Mary".

Cheers,
TGHO
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It occurs to me that God knows everything -- including things that didn't happen, like how hot it would be for Jesus to get seduced into having sex with his own mother.

I suppose He also knows what it would be like to get beat up by a more powerful god.
 
ned flandas said:
Where please?
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Tell Ajrud for one, I believe the inscription is "Yhwh and his Asherah". Bill Dever has a book out dealing with this, and Susan Ackerman (usually seen as one of the leaders in this area) has a really good book called Under Every Green Tree which also deals with it along with other points of Yahwists worshiping other deities in the first temple period.
 
I thought that Jesus was kinda always there, in spirit or something. Like there was the Holy Spirit, God, and Christ. But I was raised Catholic. And I don't really remember the whole Trinity thing very well.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I thought that Jesus was kinda always there, in spirit or something. Like there was the Holy Spirit, God, and Christ. But I was raised Catholic. And I don't really remember the whole Trinity thing very well.
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Jesus was there from the start.

John1:1
''In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.''
 
Foster Zygote said:
I have a problem with the claim that the "One True God" can be said to be male. Gender is a function of sexual reproduction, so how can God be said to be male if there is no female god for him to mate with? If we wanted to get technical it would be more proper to call the god of Abraham "she" like a water flea or some other asexual critter.
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It would seem that God is beyond gender.

DR
 
ned flandas said:
Jesus was there from the start.

John1:1
''In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.''
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Pretty much renders his "suffering" as a human moot then, if he knew that human pain was fleeting and quickly over.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
To understand the 'divine' issue one must first make a distinction between Jesus and Christ.
Jesus was the man and Christ is the 'inner light' of a divine consciousness.
As such, all humans are 'children of God' except that, for most, the inner spark is in a relative condition of atrophy (a seeming death). In Jesus (interpretating the story) the divine spark ignited and disintegrated (See, Last Supper as a metaphor) the human animal based ego upon which that spark was 'crucified' (as a metaphor). So, it seems, that Jesus was the first person to 'awaken' (divine illumination) to our true nature... which, it seems, is sparks of God that have gotten themselves into a jam and have been devoured by their animal based forms (body) and have anmesia about their true identity (which is 'contents' and NOT 'container').
Anyhow, that is the theory which seems, over time, to have become terribly corrupted. Perhaps the 'blindness' that is healed by Christ is the 'blindness' regarding the knowledge of our true nature and the 'crown of thorns' that keeps us 'crucified on death row' is the animal based / scientific mindset. ... not to mention 'natural law' and 'perfect justice'.
The result is an original 'intelligent design' that has 'fallen' into an evolutionary context.... spirit impaled upon 'matter'.
 
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JohnChasWebb said:
The result is an original 'intelligent design' that has 'fallen' into an evolutionary context.... spirit impaled upon 'matter'.
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The result is ? This was prefaced, back in the pretentious waffle, by "Perhaps". "Perhaps" cannot lead to "is".

Impaled, I think. Fallen at the first hurdle.

Your entire post is self-indulgent gibberish. Just look at it. Imagine you were hearing it from someone else. Someone that's not much like you. (Very few people are.) Would you understand it?
 
The Great Hairy One said:
Actually, if you want to watch a fundamentalist explode with impotent fury, describe the whole event as "the rape of Mary"
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I daresay that description ought to at least mildly bother any thinking person. Fiat mihi secundum verbum Tuum seems to have been one of the main points of the story.
 
ceo_esq said:
I daresay that description ought to at least mildly bother any thinking person. Fiat mihi secundum verbum Tuum seems to have been one of the main points of the story.
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Fiat mihi secundum verbum Tuum?

It's all Greek to me.
 
10001 said:
maybe a christian can enlighten me or us(who/what ever you think you might be) with this question.

It is said that... God sent his only son to Earth.

So... does that mean. He already gave birth to Jesus in his heaven then sent Jesus into mary's womb.

or did Jesus become God's son when God impregnated mary ?
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The mystery of the Trinity is deep and slippery and not for the squeemish.

Jesus was the God of the universe (Yahweh) inside Mary as a fetus. We know this because an angel told Mary "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)

It's sorta like Yahweh liposuctioned some of himself into Mary, because the Holy Ghost is Yahweh too. So Jesus is "part" of Yahweh. He is the liposuctioned fatty goodness of the Father. This leaves the Holy Ghost. How does He fit into this Father-Son team? Consider Him all the other emissions of the Father. Yahweh's secretions and gasses make up the Holy Ghost.

I hope this cleared things up.
 
1. God has a spritual wife hidden in his heaven somewhere. So that lucifer can't get his hands on her.
Maybe thats why God kicked lucifer out. Something going on with his wife and...
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No, he can fertilize himself like an earthworm. And for the record, Milton says God kicked Lucifer out because he gave Lucifer free will even though he knew what would happen. And also Lucifer tried to blow up God with a giant cannon.
 
So someone ask a serious question, and the majority of the posters give stupid answers?

To understand the 'divine' issue one must first make a distinction between Jesus and Christ.
Jesus was the man and Christ is the 'inner light' of a divine consciousness.
As such, all humans are 'children of God' except that, for most, the inner spark is in a relative condition of atrophy (a seeming death). In Jesus (interpretating the story) the divine spark ignited and disintegrated (See, Last Supper as a metaphor) the human animal based ego upon which that spark was 'crucified' (as a metaphor). So, it seems, that Jesus was the first person to 'awaken' (divine illumination) to our true nature... which, it seems, is sparks of God that have gotten themselves into a jam and have been devoured by their animal based forms (body) and have anmesia about their true identity (which is 'contents' and NOT 'container').
Anyhow, that is the theory which seems, over time, to have become terribly corrupted. Perhaps the 'blindness' that is healed by Christ is the 'blindness' regarding the knowledge of our true nature and the 'crown of thorns' that keeps us 'crucified on death row' is the animal based / scientific mindset. ... not to mention 'natural law' and 'perfect justice'.
The result is an original 'intelligent design' that has 'fallen' into an evolutionary context.... spirit impaled upon 'matter'.
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Maybe Howard Stern is Jesus, as he claims. Howie . . . has said this on more than one occasion.
 
ceo_esq said:
I daresay that description ought to at least mildly bother any thinking person. Fiat mihi secundum verbum Tuum seems to have been one of the main points of the story.
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Uh-huh. And she had soooooooo much of a choice. What a load of foetid dingo's kidneys.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
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