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Merged Abbott Pardons Man Who Intentionally Murdered BLM Protester

Carrying, not brandishing.

In my eyes, Foster's previous interactions with the police raise doubt. He was clearly attempting to be threatening and intimidating on previous occasions to car drivers.

Walking around with an AK47 standing in front of cars whilst other "protestors" attack those vehicles. I'm starting to see why there is reasonable doubt here.
 
In my eyes, Foster's previous interactions with the police raise doubt. He was clearly attempting to be threatening and intimidating on previous occasions to car drivers.

Walking around with an AK47 standing in front of cars whilst other "protestors" attack those vehicles. I'm starting to see why there is reasonable doubt here.

Jury didn't think so.

Perry's online messages made clear that he was aware of the protests, so you can't argue he got there by accident. He talked about shooting people at the protests and claiming self-defense. He then drove into the protest, got surrounded by protesters and suddenly realized he was in danger (wink), then shoots someone.

Jury said it was murder.

He deliberately created a dangerous situation so he could shoot someone in "self-defense".
 
Jury didn't think so.

Perry's online messages made clear that he was aware of the protests, so you can't argue he got there by accident. He talked about shooting people at the protests and claiming self-defense. He then drove into the protest, got surrounded by protesters and suddenly realized he was in danger (wink), then shoots someone.

Jury said it was murder.

He deliberately created a dangerous situation so he could shoot someone in "self-defense".

The "deliberately created" is the bit I have an issue with. He is/was an uber driver, at the time in question he had a passenger, correct? He talked about shooting people who had hypothetically attacked him. During that conversation he even says you can't just start shooting people. I'd say during a heated possibly violent incident, a man appearing carrying an Ak-47 would cause someone to think their life was in danger.

I don't think the Governor should have pardoned him, I think he should have let the appeals process run its due course. I do think, from what has been presented, there should have been enough doubt not to convict.
 
The "deliberately created" is the bit I have an issue with. He is/was an uber driver, at the time in question he had a passenger, correct? He talked about shooting people who had hypothetically attacked him. During that conversation he even says you can't just start shooting people. I'd say during a heated possibly violent incident, a man appearing carrying an Ak-47 would cause someone to think their life was in danger.

So the man carrying a loaded handgun that's previously made it a point to say that he's ready and willing to shoot a protestor that gets in his way should feel threatened by someone carrying an unloaded gun strapped on his back? Sure, that makes sense.

Verifiably one of these people was a threat and it was the person that shot and killed another human for doing nothing at all. It was legal for him to carry that AK-47. Perry even said he wasn't a threat, just that Perry didn't want him to become a threat.

That's murder. I'm getting so ******* sick and tired of hearing this "they thought their life was in danger" nonsense. Everyone can feel their ******* life is in danger. I walk across a crosswalk every morning and a person who doesn't stop could kill me, my life is in danger. Do I just get to buy a gun and ******* blast everyone at the crosswalk? After all, I fear for my life when I cross the street.

I don't think the Governor should have pardoned him, I think he should have let the appeals process run its due course. I do think, from what has been presented, there should have been enough doubt not to convict.

Thank God you weren't on the jury then.
 
Perry blasted his horn at protesters, and then ran a red light to drive into the crowd. Then he told the cops he shot before anything was aimed at him. He straight up said to the cops
he didn't want to give the victim a chance.
 
I am not really sure why we are discussing the details of the case like this. The jury got to hear the prosecutions version of events. The Jury got the hear the defenses version of events. The Jury voted to convict Perry of Murder. Are there any facts of the case that came out afterwards that the jury was not aware of?
 
I am not really sure why we are discussing the details of the case like this. The jury got to hear the prosecutions version of events. The Jury got the hear the defenses version of events. The Jury voted to convict Perry of Murder. Are there any facts of the case that came out afterwards that the jury was not aware of?

I believe the previous incidents with Foster were not made aware to the Jury.
 
I believe the previous incidents with Foster were not made aware to the Jury.

No, the jury heard about those.

They didn't hear about a lot of Perry's racist online messages, or his trying to pick up underage girls on the internet, but not seeing how those would make Perry seem more likely to be innocent.
 
Why should they have heard about those? They bear no relevance to the case.

Right. That's why the jury didn't hear about them.

If we are asking about whether the Jury got it wrong and Perry should be pardoned, the question is whether or not there was anything the Jury didn't hear about that would make them less likely to convict is important. Was there anything like that that they didn't hear?
 
My opinion on this case is that Foster and others were openly looking for a confrontation. I doubt even in the USA it is common for people to wander around openly carrying an AK-47 for no reason.

I don't believe Perry ended up where he did because he was looking for it. I haven't seen anything that says Perry had any violence on his record, his comments come off to me as someone with some pretty nasty views spouting off to someone he knew.

I've seen reports saying Perry drove at the crowd, others say there is evidence that that didn't happen.

There was at least one witness who originally told police he saw Foster point his weapon at Perry, this one witness changed his testimony at the trial and said he didn't know if he raised it. I think it would be very easy for anyone in that situation to misjudge where the AK was actually pointing. Eye witness testimony is weak. Why would these witnesses even be looking at Foster? Surely their eyes would be on the car that allegedly is driving at them?

In my eyes there is enough here for the situation not to be clear cut.
 
In my eyes, Foster's previous interactions with the police raise doubt. He was clearly attempting to be threatening and intimidating on previous occasions to car drivers.

Not so 'clearly':

[Foster] was sympathetic to the protests, carried an AK-47-style rifle to a rally in downtown Austin, as is legal in Texas, with the stated goal of protecting other marchers, including his longtime girlfriend.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/greg-abbott-daniel-perry-pardon/




Walking around with an AK47 standing in front of cars whilst other "protestors" attack those vehicles. I'm starting to see why there is reasonable doubt here.

I find it interesting that Off. Cleveland only testified to seeing "other officers" talk to Foster on previous occasions and admitted he'd never spoken to Foster himself, yet none of these officers was identified much less called to give testimony. What we have is Cleveland's opinion that Foster was "visibly and verbally not receptive".

Foster was not standing in front of Perry's car; he walked up to the driver's side window.

Another witness, Jeremy Lett, who was Foster's roommate, also testified Wednesday that he saw Foster walk toward Perry's car holding his rifle almost parallel to the ground with the barrel slightly down. He said Foster stopped about 10 feet from Perry's car. Lett said he was standing behind Perry's car and saw the driver's door open slightly. Foster said to Perry, "Hey, get back in the car," Lett said.
Foster's rifle was across his chest, and he wasn't holding the gun but was gesturing upward with his hands in an open position to indicate he wanted Perry to leave, Lett said. Lett said he looked away briefly to watch someone else writing down the license plate number of Perry's car when he heard gunshots.

Foster's girlfriend testified that she heard Foster say, "Move on" to Perry.
https://www.statesman.com/story/new...-witnesses-say-didnt-raise-rifle/70060062007/

That doesn't sound to me like someone who was "clearly attempting to be threatening and intimidating" but rather someone who was trying to de-escalate a dangerous situation.


The "deliberately created" is the bit I have an issue with. He is/was an uber driver, at the time in question he had a passenger, correct?

No, there was no passenger in Perry's car.


He talked about shooting people who had hypothetically attacked him. During that conversation he even says you can't just start shooting people. I'd say during a heated possibly violent incident, a man appearing carrying an Ak-47 would cause someone to think their life was in danger.

The evidence showed that Perry discussed he could get away with killing protesters legally if he claimed self-defense:

"I might have to kill a few people on my way to work, they are rioting outside my apartment complex," Perry wrote to a friend in June of 2020. "I might go to Dallas to shoot looters," he wrote on another occasion. Perry also encouraged violence in a variety of social media posts.

In addition, Perry speculated about how he might get away with such a killing – by claiming self-defense, as he is now doing. Prosecutors presented a Facebook Messen*ger chat between Perry and a friend, Michael Holcomb, which occurred two weeks before he shot Foster. In it, Perry argued that shooting protesters was legal if it was in self-defense. Holcomb, who was called to the stand Wednesday afternoon, seemed to try to talk Perry down. "Aren't you a CDL holder too?" he asked, referring to the men's licenses to carry concealed handguns. "We went through the same training ... Shooting after creating an event where you have to shoot, is not a good shoot."
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2023-04-07/might-have-to-kill-a-few-people/


I don't think the Governor should have pardoned him, I think he should have let the appeals process run its due course. I do think, from what has been presented, there should have been enough doubt not to convict.

Only if you disregard what Perry wrote in his exchanges with others and what he said himself. He first claimed to police Foster had pointed his gun at him, but several witnesses say Foster did not.

Body-camera video played the next day shows Perry, after being taken into custody, telling officers Foster had pointed his gun at him. "I didn't know he was going to aim it at me," Perry says. "I thought he was going to kill me ... I've never been so scared in my life."
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2023-04-07/might-have-to-kill-a-few-people/


I believe the previous incidents with Foster were not made aware to the Jury.

Yes, they were as I previously quoted and cited Cleveland's testimony in court.

My opinion on this case is that Foster and others were openly looking for a confrontation. I doubt even in the USA it is common for people to wander around openly carrying an AK-47 for no reason."

The evidence shows that Foster was trying to AVOID a confrontation and to de-escalate the situation when he told Perry to "get back in the car" and to "move on". He didn't go up to Perry's car window and start threatening him or screaming at him.

As for carrying around an AK-47, Foster had a reason as I've already posted. |(And before I'm accused on thinking that's just jim dandy as long as it's a "liberal" as someone previously claimed, let me point out that Foster was a conservative there to 'protect' people and that I think AK-47s should be illegal for any civilian to carry or even own.)

I don't believe Perry ended up where he did because he was looking for it. I haven't seen anything that says Perry had any violence on his record, his comments come off to me as someone with some pretty nasty views spouting off to someone he knew.

I disagree. I think Perry deliberately put himself in the situation looking for trouble as supported by his own words then lying to the police about Foster aiming his gun at him. He also had a choice to go out that night when he wrote that there were "looters and rioters outside around his building" and he could have kept his window closed and driven off slowly instead of rolling down his window and murdering Foster.

Perry had no criminal record, but his own writings show he fantasized about killing people.
“I might go to Dallas to shoot looters.”
“I wonder if they will let my
cut the ears off of people who’s decided to commit suicide by me.”
“To bad we can’t get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe.”

I've seen reports saying Perry drove at the crowd, others say there is evidence that that didn't happen.

I've seen no evidence "that didn't happen".

There was at least one witness who originally told police he saw Foster point his weapon at Perry, this one witness changed his testimony at the trial and said he didn't know if he raised it. I think it would be very easy for anyone in that situation to misjudge where the AK was actually pointing. Eye witness testimony is weak. Why would these witnesses even be looking at Foster? Surely their eyes would be on the car that allegedly is driving at them?

I agree that eye-witness testimony can be weak...but not when several eyewitnesses all say Foster did not point his gun at Perry.

Why would they be looking at Foster? Because the car wasn't driving AT THEM when Foster went up to Perry's STOPPED car to tell him to move on. That is exactly where people would be looking.


In my eyes there is enough here for the situation not to be clear cut.

The jury (and I) think there was. This is a political move by Abbott to appease his right-wing supporters as is clear by his move to get the Pardons and Paroles Board (all of whom Abbott appointed) to approve his pardon request less than 24 hours after the verdict.

Conservatives have attacked the prosecutor who brought the case, Travis County District Attorney Jose Garza, a Democrat.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton told Fox News that Mr Garza "maliciously prosecutes people that he doesn't like for political purposes".
 
Exclusive: Austin police officials drafted letter advocating for Daniel Perry's pardon
https://www.statesman.com/story/new...tment-apd-officials-draft-letter/73790591007/
Days before Gov. Greg Abbott pardoned Daniel Perry for killing a Black Lives Matter protester, the Austin Police Department drafted a two-page letter to state officials advocating that Perry be freed.

The document, on departmental letterhead, echoes the belief of the lead investigator in the case that the prosecution of Perry in the shooting death of Garrett Foster was based on “conjecture,” “innuendo” and a “character assassination” of Perry, who wrote racist and threatening social media posts.

The draft, obtained by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV on Tuesday, bears the signatory of interim police chief Robin Henderson.

The letter rejects the guilty verdict of a Travis County jury a year earlier and reiterates the department’s finding that the shooting was justified, adding “Mr. Perry should have never been charged.”

Ranb
 
Exclusive: Austin police officials drafted letter advocating for Daniel Perry's pardon
https://www.statesman.com/story/new...tment-apd-officials-draft-letter/73790591007/


Ranb

No specifics on what the jury got wrong, just like with the parole board. I'm also not inclined to believe the police as they tend to be biased against protesters in general, liberal protesters more so, and anti police brutality/killing protesters even more so. Surely the defense had access to all the information this lead investigator had and yet the jury found him guilty of murder.
 
No specifics on what the jury got wrong, just like with the parole board. I'm also not inclined to believe the police as they tend to be biased against protesters in general, liberal protesters more so, and anti police brutality/killing protesters even more so. Surely the defense had access to all the information this lead investigator had and yet the jury found him guilty of murder.

Yeah, "Police find shooting of man protesting the Police to be justified" is not exactly the view from nowhere.
 
Right. That's why the jury didn't hear about them.
If we are asking about whether the Jury got it wrong and Perry should be pardoned, the question is whether or not there was anything the Jury didn't hear about that would make them less likely to convict is important. Was there anything like that that they didn't hear?

I would say that they very much were relevant to the case, they spoke to Perry's criminal state of being.
 
I'd like to know if Off. Cleveland, who claimed he saw officers speak to Foster at other protests about the way he carried his gun, signed that letter.
 

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