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Split Thread A second impeachment

PhantomWolf said:
No-one has ever determined if the President can be arrested and charged. The closest is that there was a memo that expressed the opinion that a sitting president could not be charged. Nothing says that an ex-president can't be held criminally liable for what he did while in office.
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Yes, and we should not forget, Nixon wasn't tried because he was pardoned. Trump has not and will not be pardoned.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump would have been impeached the first time
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Just going to point it out, he was Impeached the first time and the second time. He's been Impeached twice. Impeachment is done by the House, the Senate Trial is to determine guilt and consequences, not to confirm Impeachment.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, and we should not forget, Nixon wasn't tried because he was pardoned. Trump has not and will not be pardoned.
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I suspect that he could have been Impeached as well, but in his case, it would have been totally pointless even though he likely would have been found guilty (hence the resignation) because he'd already quit and since he had already met the "elected to two terms" clause he was no longer eligible to hold the office of President again.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, and we should not forget, Nixon wasn't tried because he was pardoned. Trump has not and will not be pardoned.
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Until his next term, he'll pardon himself right away. He won't need to worry about how things look any more, as he knows now he can get away with anything.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Until his next term, he'll pardon himself right away. He won't need to worry about how things look any more, as he knows now he can get away with anything.
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That's 4 years from now and only if Trump is reelected and only if he is deemed able to pardon himself.

That's a lot of ifs. Let's see how criminal charges, if made, pan out.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Nope and it was clearly explained why.

Nope. It was because they thought the checks and balances would hold and maybe they still will. We'll have to see come 2022.

I think you are failing to notice the role social media played in enabling a mentally ill POTUS to get elected and to pull that stunt on his way out.

But guess what, cult following or not, he was voted out of office by millions of votes despite that.

You don't seem to grasp that this was the political part. A criminal trial comes next, hopefully. And it is there where we will see how many more of these GOP coconspirators will tone their crap down.


There are two things going forward, one, we need to get rid of gerrymandering and the EC if we want to keep our democracy. That is what allowed this situation to develop much more so than Presidential powers.

And two, we absolutely need to address the social media rabbit holes. I'm pretty sure all those parliamentary systems of government are not a guaranteed match against the cult following social media allowed to develop.

It was almost a perfect storm: A cult leader, social media, and the press that failed to do their job (the same way they failed when they let Bush sell his war) to keep that nonsense in check. In fact, the press fueled the frenzy because it was good for business.

I don't think for a minute the framework of our government was the biggest player here. If Trump hadn't had so many followers among the legislators in Congress this would not have happened. Trump would have been impeached the first time. And, maybe we need a close look at the POTUS owning the DoJ. That is a serious problem because Presidents are too tempted to use the DoJ as their personal enforcement department.
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So everything is fine and great. Things are just as they should be, and couldn't be better.

As I said, you Americans have a warped sense of justice.
 
Mumbles said:
And I'll say it again - if Toupee Fiasco had been born to a father that wasn't wealthy, and wasn't useful for laundering money, he'd have been butchered and deposited in several dumpsters by some crime family back in the 1970s.

Or possibly several trash bags at the bottom of a river. Foundation of a building - you get the idea.
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I actually think the person he would be is Jack Ruby only much more cowardly. I could see middle-class Donald talking big and trying to open strip joints that fail. Trying constantly to kiss up to both cops and career criminals but never amounting to enough to be worth the time of either one. Odds are he'd get punched out by a drunk on a monthly basis while moving from one failed venture to another.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Commissioner Al Schmidt tweeted

@Commish_Schmidt

@LeaderMcConnell The former POTUS incited supporters to threaten to kill my children and put their “heads on spikes” because we counted votes cast by eligible voters.
They named my children and included my home address in the threats.
Please consider when voting your conscience.
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I think that's where the commish went wrong.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The Turtle's speech was to Trump, not the public.

He basically said "I got your sorrow son-of-a-bitch POS ass off the hook on a technicality when we all know you are guilty as ****. So your sorrow son-of-a-bitch POS ass now belongs to ME! So shut the **** up, find another ******* career, never run for politics again, and get back in your ******* hole where you belong. Or there will be criminal prosecutions which I can't stop."

But politely, in a Southern accent.
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Except Trump has no intent of shutting the **** up.. Trump is already out there gloating about the acquittal. He will be out there soon talking about going after the GOP Congressman and Senators that voted against him.
 
McConnell knows Trump is guilty as hell. He could have gotten 10 more votes if he really wanted to, but he didn't want to. He wants the GOP together, not split which is what would have happened. That was his motivation for falling back on that sorry "unconstitutional" excuse.
 
Stacyhs said:
McConnell knows Trump is guilty as hell. He could have gotten 10 more votes if he really wanted to, but he didn't want to. He wants the GOP together, not split which is what would have happened. That was his motivation for falling back on that sorry "unconstitutional" excuse.
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Yep, I see it this way too.
 
Stacyhs said:
He never read your letter. Staff member did and sent the form letter reply.
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I think that's standard but your POV gets counted if you are one of their constituents.

I tried to write Pelosi a few years back and despite her being leader of the House, I got a form letter back that Pelosi only took feedback from her constituents. Pissed me off given she had national influence.
 
Stacyhs said:
McConnell knows Trump is guilty as hell. He could have gotten 10 more votes if he really wanted to, but he didn't want to. He wants the GOP together, not split which is what would have happened. That was his motivation for falling back on that sorry "unconstitutional" excuse.
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I don't think he could have.
 
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