A question about LSD.

1. Honesty is never the best policy when it comes to 'fessing up to drug use.

2. The whole flashback thing is complete bollocks. Hasnt this been discussed here before?
 
Probably, aside from the Beatles' "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" this is the best known LSD song:

Well I met a girl called Sandoz
And she taught me many, many things
Good things, very good things, sweet things
- The Animals
 
Juliette said:
Oh, I agree. It seemed to me to be an obvious investigators tool. However, my son was also told that the next part of the background check would involve a polygraph test, and that the same questions would be asked. He went on to tell him that any sign of deception would be cause for an automatic dismissal. Since the one LSD use was something he disclosed to the district where he currently works, and had still gotten the job over 60-plus applicants, he felt he needed to go ahead and reveal it once again.

Julia
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Oh, a polygraph test! What a crackerjack operation that is. Two things he learned:

1. don't tell prospective employers you've used drugs in the past (but don't tell them it's none of their business even though it isn't - if you don't have a criminal record about it, just lie)

2. he dodged a bullet here, and doesn't have to work in this insane asylum


Polygraph tests only work as a threat. They do not reveal whether a person is lying or not. They are a type of fraudulent hiring practice, and a sign that something has gone terribly wrong down in HR.
 
Maybe the fire department assumed that anyone stupid enough to take LSD probably shouldnt be directly responsible for an entire communites life or death.
 
pipelineaudio said:
Maybe the fire department assumed that anyone stupid enough to take LSD probably shouldnt be directly responsible for an entire communites life or death.
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I'm sure that's their reasoning. Doesn't make it right, though. I'd be more concerned about what a person's decisions are here today than what they did in the distant past. I do hiring all the time, and I've never seen anything this unprofessional. Heard of it. Haven't seen it.

Our local Skeptics group here in BC was founded by Dr. Barry Beyerstein, who is also one of the founders of CSICOP. His specialty at the time was fraudulent human resources screening tests: handwriting analysis, lie detector tests, &c. This sounds like little's changed in 30 years.
 
mmiller said:
From everything I've read (and experienced!) flashbacks of the type your son was disqualified over are an urban myth. Real flashbacks, of the kind everyone experiences, are nothing more than a strong rememberence of some traumatic event. Your son's problem getting this job was caused by the ignorance created by prohibition laws.
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Shocker that a government official was ignorant of the actual effects of drugs. After all, the stuff the US government tells us about their inherent evils just HAS to be true.

Or maybe it was all lies and whole-cloth BS made up by former prohibition agents and bureaucrats so they wouldn't be out of a job when FDR came into office. Considering the hang-ups this country has always had about drugs and sex, I don't think their employment was ever really in danger once the temperance zealots got their way.
 
blutoski said:
I'm sure that's their reasoning. Doesn't make it right, though. I'd be more concerned about what a person's decisions are here today than what they did in the distant past. I do hiring all the time, and I've never seen anything this unprofessional. Heard of it. Haven't seen it.
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That's my take on it too. I was given to understand, at least where the FBI is concerned, that the purpose of asking about past drug use is to find out if you're a liar now, not whether you were a user once upon a time.
 
The best I can tell flash backs can happen with LSD use but only in people prediposed to them because it does produce very strong neurologic activity. But any strong emotional stimulus can cause a real flashback such as combat, physical or psychological abuse.
LSD can also unmask psychological disorders such as schizophrenia. But does not cause them.
The ability to trip decreases over time becuse the neurotransmitters affected by the drug become desensitized. Don't worry though a few days of non-use will allow the potency to return.
No one can overdose on LSD, it doesn't work that way. It attaches to neurotransmitters and once they are used up the rest of the drug is excreted.
I have done up to 10 or so hits at a time and although my perception was scewed (to say the least) I still retained my mental faculties an grip on reality. Some other people I tripped with said they saw ghosts, goblins, angels, etc. but they had a belief in the supernatural. But since my nature is skeptical I saw plants, shadows, or other things that explained (but they did look more interesting) them so it did not bother me much. I did experience odd things but just sat back and enjoyed the experience.
I heard that in Switzeland (I think) LSD is used by psychiatrist to help with treatment. It seems to help with suggestion hypnotherapy because it allows access to parts of the brain or somthing else like that than can dramatically decrease treatment times.
On a personal note LSD, Psilocybin (magic mushrooms), and cannabis can be effective intreating cluster headaches (up to a 96% success rate for psilcybin). I've tried every medicine in the pharmacopia for mine. None work and most have very nasty side effects like addiction, diminished mental capacity, one even lists gangrene as a side effect (the main ingrdient in this drug is ergotamine which, ironically, is what most LSD is made from and is very toxic until made into LSD).
I don't think that the dangers from LSD can be dismissed, but I do think that considering alcohol dimishes so many mental fuctions and is legal we should look at drugs that can actually enhance some mental functions.
If anyone is considering any pschotropic though drug they need to be in good mental condition, most bad trips come from people that are depressed or have other mental problems. This does not apply to cannabis which does not seem to bring about any psychological problems other than a complete loss of memory control.
I know this is off topic but it explains, in a small part, why I don't think anyone should be descriminated against because of past drug use. Our president was a cocaine user and still got the job. This is the same guy that says if I smoke a joint at my house the terrorist win. By the way cocaine deserves its bad reputation. :boxedin:
 
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skeptesthai said:
The best I can tell flash backs can happen with LSD use but only in people prediposed to them because it does produce very strong neurologic activity. But any strong emotional stimulus can cause a real flashback such as combat, physical or psychological abuse.
LSD can also unmask psychological disorders such as schizophrenia. But does not cause them.
The ability to trip decreases over time becuse the neurotransmitters affected by the drug become desensitized. Don't worry though a few days of non-use will allow the potency to return.
No one can overdose on LSD, it doesn't work that way. It attaches to neurotransmitters and once they are used up the rest of the drug is excreted.
I have done up to 10 or so hits at a time and although my perception was scewed (to say the least) I still retained my mental faculties an grip on reality. Some other people I tripped with said they saw ghosts, goblins, angels, etc. but they had a belief in the supernatural. But since my nature is skeptical I saw plants, shadows, or other things that explained (but they did look more interesting) them so it did not bother me much. I did experience odd things but just sat back and enjoyed the experience.
I heard that in Switzeland (I think) LSD is used by psychiatrist to help with treatment. It seems to help with suggestion hypnotherapy because it allows access to parts of the brain or somthing else like that than can dramatically decrease treatment times.
On a personal note LSD, Psilocybin (magic mushrooms), and cannabis can be effective intreating cluster headaches (up to a 96% success rate for psilcybin). I've tried every medicine in the pharmacopia for mine. None work and most have very nasty side effects like addiction, diminished mental capacity, one even lists gangrene as a side effect (the main ingrdient in this drug is ergotamine which, ironically, is what most LSD is made from and is very toxic until made into LSD).
I don't think that the dangers from LSD can be dismissed, but I do think that considering alcohol dimishes so many mental fuctions and is legal we should look at drugs that can actually enhance some mental functions.
If anyone is considering any pschotropic though drug they need to be in good mental condition, most bad trips come from people that are depressed or have other mental problems. This does not apply to cannabis which does not seem to bring about any psychological problems other than a complete loss of memory control.
I know this is off topic but it explains, in a small part, why I don't think anyone should be descriminated against because of past drug use. Our president was a cocaine user and still got the job. This is the same guy that says if I smoke a joint at my house the terrorist win. By the way cocaine deserves its bad reputation. :boxedin:
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None of what you say rings true for someone who has actually used LSD.


And 10 hits at a time? I find that highly,highly,highly unlikely.
 
Dustin said:
None of what you say rings true for someone who has actually used LSD.


And 10 hits at a time? I find that highly,highly,highly unlikely.
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Back in the day, I did 7 hits at once and if I would have had 3 more, I would have done them too. Not proud, but 10 hits is not that unlikely.

As a side note, it was a hell of a trip. Laughed for hours.


edit to add: I didn't do them all at once, but over about 3 hours.
 
Thitical Crinker said:
Back in the day, I did 7 hits at once and if I would have had 3 more, I would have done them too. Not proud, but 10 hits is not that unlikely.

As a side note, it was a hell of a trip. Laughed for hours.
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I've talked to people who have actually used LSD and they have made statements that just 3 hits of the drug completly knocked them senseless to the point they thought they were going insane.



7 hits and just laughed for hours? Really?


Well last night I drank 60 beers and almost got drunk!
 
Dustin said:
I've talked to people who have actually used LSD and they have made statements that just 3 hits of the drug completely knocked them senseless to the point they thought they were going insane.



7 hits and just laughed for hours? Really?


Well last night I drank 60 beers and almost got drunk!
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I don't know why you would think I was lying. I have actually used LSD. Not proud of it and it was in the early '80's. If you had actually done LSD you would know what I mean by laughing.
 
It is entirely possible for someone to take 10 hits and be somewhat sensible. The amount of LSD in hits these days can be as low as 50 micrograms so 10 would be 500 a moderately high dose.
 
Dustin said:
None of what you say rings true for someone who has actually used LSD.


And 10 hits at a time? I find that highly,highly,highly unlikely.
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I know people foolish enough to take 20 hits of standard blotter, if it is weak blotter that is about 250 mics per tab, if potent bloter it could be 200 mics per tab, so they may have taken between 5000 mics and 40000 mics. I know people who took two tabs of the infamous red blotter in 1980, where I judged a quater tab to be about a thousand mics, so they probably took 8,000 mics.

Not that that would be a wise thing to do.
 
Dustin said:
I've talked to people who have actually used LSD and they have made statements that just 3 hits of the drug completly knocked them senseless to the point they thought they were going insane.



7 hits and just laughed for hours? Really?


Well last night I drank 60 beers and almost got drunk!
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It is not that unlikely, different people have different sensitivities, and different manufacturs put different compounds into the mix.

I was once foolish enough to take a 'barrel' of very good acid, about 500 mics and a quarter gram of MDA, very stupid, and I laughed a lot to say the least.
 
Investigator and a polygraph test?! What the hell kind of operation are the running? You don't get that kind of Nazi crap here in the UK.

LSD flashbacks? I hope not. I've done plenty of acid, shrooms and what have you and never had anything even remotely resembling one and neither have any of my friends. I've done whole strips of blotter at once. Once you do over a certain amount the effect is by no means proportional to dose in my experience. Still wouldn't recommend it mind.

Re: Cannabis and cancer. Yes it is very contested. We know which chemicals in tobacco cause cancer and they are evidence in cannabis smoke too, sometimes in even greater quantities. Unless there is a powerful counter mechansim we have have very good reason to believe it's carcinogenic.

Tell your son not to fess up next time and take his chances with the polygraph test. Never reveal such things to people in authority. It never works. They are such tightarses about drugs it's untrue.
 
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