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A no win scenario?

lifegazer

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How do 'we' win this so-called war?
Any ideas?
Do people actually believe that when the elections take place early next year that the troops will be able to pack-up and leave Iraq? Nay, the Middle-East altogether?

For the life of me, I can see no scenario whereby George Bush speaks to the world and utters "The war is finally over.".

A no win scenario? Or does anyone have a vision of victory?

For my own part, I envision the troops still in Iraq 4 years from now, whilst the battle for the new president will be being decided upon the issue of who will get the troops the hell outta there the quickest.
 
This oughta do it.

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lifegazer said:
How do 'we' win this so-called war?
Any ideas?
Do people actually believe that when the elections take place early next year that the troops will be able to pack-up and leave Iraq? Nay, the Middle-East altogether?

For the life of me, I can see no scenario whereby George Bush speaks to the world and utters "The war is finally over.".

A no win scenario? Or does anyone have a vision of victory?

For my own part, I envision the troops still in Iraq 4 years from now, whilst the battle for the new president will be being decided upon the issue of who will get the troops the hell outta there the quickest.
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I have to agree with you. The nexus of middle east problems has been the Israel/Palestinian thing. Hopefully when Arafat (finally) shuffles off this mortal coil, a new successful peace initiate will occur under a fresh leadership. That being said, I feel Iraq will be the centre of "terrorism" in the middle east. Muslims and Arabs now have the "evil satan" in Iraq to help focus their efforts. I'm sure there will be more terrorist attacks throughout Europe and North America (although I doubt Canada and Mexico will be hit).

Still, Mssr's Bush and Company started the Iraqi thing and now they're stuck with it. I did see a glimmer of hope of Kerry would have won, but that's all moot. We'd better get use to a daily death/injury count coming out of Iraq for the next 4 or 5 years.

Charlie (hopefully no Iran or N Korea to complicate things) Monoxide
 
I wonder what Georgie's plan is? Surely he has a vision of victory?
Press the red button?
 
I think the "plan" was to privatize Iraq and attract foreign investors. The constant bombings seem to have thrown a wrench in the works.
 
I'd like to know what would happen if free, unrigged, elections resulted in a government deeply hostile to the invaders.

Jim Bowen
 
Jim Bowen said:
I'd like to know what would happen if free, unrigged, elections resulted in a government deeply hostile to the invaders.

Jim Bowen
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The deck is already loaded. Alawi is a US CIA stooge. The other choices the Iraqi people have are religeous warlords or some Al Quaida sympathizer. This is not going to be a "democratic" election. The winner gets to feed the "white elephant".

Charlie (good opportunity for Diebold in Iraq) Monoxide
 
Richard G said:
This oughta do it.

Bush%20Whoop-Ass.jpg
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I'm sure the troops that are there really appreciate comments like this from people, whether posters on a bulletin board or Presidents of superpowers, who aren't in any danger of a sniper or a roadside bomb.

Brings to mind Bush's "Bring it on" comment. Sure, it's a great sound bite to the mentally retarded who like to see things blow up "real-good like" but it's not a very good idea to egg on insurgents.

It's looks like the sh!t has hit the Iraqi fan now. We'll see a major attack on Fallujah any moment now and Iraq has just declared a 60 day state of emergency. All conveniently after our election is over. What a happy coincidence.
 
The can doesn't even have a ring-pull.

"Uhm, does anyone have a can-opener?

...

...

...Can anyone show me how to use a can-opener?"
 
What will victory look like? Even if there is a election ASAP, it won't mean anything. U.S. soldiers will still be targets. The elected government will be completely unable to quell any terrorist activitiy/training, meaning the U.S. will still need to there in perpetuity. And ethnic/religious factions will end up at each other's throats before long.

The place is seriously broken. The best hope is for a secular strongman to be in control of the country. Someone who can be bought off.
 
The best hope is for a secular strongman to be in control of the country. Someone who can be bought off.
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Do you work for the U.N.? You have their crooked, corrupt mantra down to a pat.
 
lifegazer said:
How do 'we' win this so-called war?
Any ideas?
Do people actually believe that when the elections take place early next year that the troops will be able to pack-up and leave Iraq? Nay, the Middle-East altogether?

For the life of me, I can see no scenario whereby George Bush speaks to the world and utters "The war is finally over.".

A no win scenario? Or does anyone have a vision of victory?

For my own part, I envision the troops still in Iraq 4 years from now, whilst the battle for the new president will be being decided upon the issue of who will get the troops the hell outta there the quickest.
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Your assumption being that you have a good understanding of the current situation. I don't think that I do, personally. I know what is reported but it is a big place. Hitchen's has an interesting perspective that is not quite as unrelievedly gloomy as you see on the news. A question: If there were good news, do you think it would get airtime?
 
Richard G said:
Do you work for the U.N.? You have their crooked, corrupt mantra down to a pat.
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Let's get real. None of the factions in Iraq will respond to anything but brute force. Frankly, I don't think the U.S. has the stomach to do it. Best hope is for a strongman that understands what the U.S. understands: money. The U.S. has done it before. Can do it again.
 
Nah. All the insurgents, terrorists, etc. have to do is keep up trouble sustainably, and they can keep it up forever, and practically for free. Unfortunately, whether U.S. troops are present or not, they probably will keep up the killing for decades.

The cheapest, safest and ultimately simplest way to get that Iraqi oil is to use a TBM from over the border and drill it out using steerable drilling rigs from about 500 feet underground. Then monitor with satellites and just keep the folks on the surface from mining down to interfere with operations. Of course, taking Iraqi oil with slant/steerable drilling is nothing new: Kuwait has been doing that for years and years.

Leaving Iraq a desolate anarchy simply means there isn't anybody to defend the resources against plundering of this sort.

Ultimately, states that neighbor Iraqi oil fields (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan and Turkey) could benefit from long term Iraqi instability.
 
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