RussDill
Philosopher
lifegazer said:
How can something be a truth if you haven't defined your terms? That is like saying that it a truth that elephants are heavy. And then going on to say that a planet is pretty light in comparison to a star, so elephants weigh more than a planet. Without defining your terms, you have nothing. Given the vaugeness of you "truth" I can equally state that we are aware of existence through an intangible realm, which means exactly the same thing, and lends itself towards materialism.
Correction, our *awareness* of existence is comprised of abstract concepts/functions/attributes.
Again, you'll have to qualify the term "realm".
Our perception and awareness is an abstract process. That says nothing about any source of those perceptions. Your claim is that the source is something real, the "Mind". A counter claim would be that the source is something real, a material existence.
The former does not follow the latter. Again, just because the process of perception is abstract, does not mean that it is a vast illusion.
Assumption based on your fautly logic above. And it also depends on how you define "real".
and why can't you grasp that the abstract nature of our perception does not prove anything about the source of our sensation?
You have to first answer what it means to experience something beyond your own awareness. When the universal awarness, the "Mind", feeds sensations into our own awareness, would we not be experiencing something beyond our own internal awareness?
Too bad this isn't what the discussion is about. We don't have to prove that there is an external reality. Just prove that it is an alternate explaination to the false dichotomies you have presented.
And I have explained countless times why this is a false dichotomy. You have never responded, but instead go about your merry way.
The reason it is circular, is that you answer #3 from the only the point of view of your philosophy. If you would attempt to ask the question from different points of view, you would get different answers. Your proof assumes what you set out to prove, thus, it is circular.
However, a book that tells a tale about the tooth fairy, and gives the intangible representation, is something tangible. A tangible representation of an intangible entity.
Not really, we really expect the personal insults. You rarely discuss something on its merits, but rather repeat what you said before, call the idea ludicrus, crap, stupid, whatever, and then insult the individual.
We expect that from you.
wow, you have some pretty special dreams. My dreams behave nothing like an external reality. They are non-linear, they aren't consistent, previous reality is corrected later on, ideas and memories are often represented on the pure abstract level, and not on a level where actual perception would take place. (ie, instead of actual hearing sounds, only words, or even ideas are heard). Left brain dreams are purely verbal in nature, no surrounding reality whatsoever. Dreams often contain representations of the world around you (ie, your alarm clock goes off, and you see a beeping badger in your dream, you hit it, it stops. You have hit your snooze bar). You can talk to someone while they are dreaming.
not even in your philosophy is the reality we perceive internal to our awareness, it is fed to us by the "Mind"
Most of us already have higher insight, we are all fellow human beings, we strive for unity, we offer peace, justice, and equality for everyone.
Depends on what you mean by see. If you mean the entire process, from photon emmision to awareness, then yes, the things you see are real. If you just mean the awareness part, then no, they are only abstract.
