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A Gravy Paper: William Rodriguez, Escape Artist

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Speaking of which, I will be in NYC the first week of Oct. and was thinking of visiting ground zero since I haven't been there since the week of 9/11. Are you there much Mark, cause if you are it would be nice to shake your hand and thank you for everything you have done. :-)
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Speaking of which, I will be in NYC the first week of Oct. and was thinking of visiting ground zero since I haven't been there since the week of 9/11. Are you there much Mark, cause if you are it would be nice to shake your hand and thank you for everything you have done. :-)
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since i don't drink instead of buying him a beer maybe ill go on a tour and just leave a large tip? I took a tour about 8 years ago on one of them sawed off double decker buses.
 
RedIbis said:
Here, on the east coast of the US, CSPAN has Rodriguez's speech from LA on 8/17.

You guys might find it funny that he began his presentation by explaining that he calls his recent European speaking tour, "The Gravy Tour," because, as he says, some guy on the internet has been attacking him and he sent the attacks to all of his contacts overseas and that's how he was invited to so many countries.

I got a good laugh out of that.
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Judging from his feigned anger with a few here saying splosion I am utterly disgusted by him having the nerve to say such a thing. Maybe the splosion happened in his head?
 
DGM said:
How does he know the exact moment the plane hit when he was in the basement? I've often wondered this.
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From his discussion broadcast last night he said that he felt the impact shake the building and he could hear it as coming from much higher up the building.

As opposed to the explosion he heard and felt below him several seconds earlier.
 
RedIbis said:
From his discussion broadcast last night he said that he felt the impact shake the building and he could hear it as coming from much higher up the building.

As opposed to the explosion he heard and felt below him several seconds earlier.
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Why did he change the timing from 1-2 seconds to 6-7 seconds? Doesn't a change that great signify he is full of [rule10]?
 
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RedIbis said:
From his discussion broadcast last night he said that he felt the impact shake the building and he could hear it as coming from much higher up the building.

As opposed to the explosion he heard and felt below him several seconds earlier.
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So any time line he may arrive at is subject to any number of variable considering he didn't actually see it which would be real time.
Basically his story sounds better if it was before. He truthfully has no real way of knowing.
 
~enigma~ said:
Why did he change the timeing from 1-2 seconds to 6-7 seconds? Doesn't a change that great signify he is full of [rule10]?
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This is laughable. First of all, the difference in time is hardly "great." Especially if we consider the events of the moment.

Secondly, by your logic the rather significant changes in time that NORAD and the Commission Report have produced would render their accounts absolutely worthless.
 
RedIbis said:
This is laughable. First of all, the difference in time is hardly "great." Especially if we consider the events of the moment.

Secondly, by your logic the rather significant changes in time that NORAD and the Commission Report have produced would render their accounts absolutely worthless.
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1-2 sec being increased to 6-7 isn't a great change?
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NORAD and the 9/11 comission are not the same peron like your lying janitor is.
 
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DGM said:
So any time line he may arrive at is subject to any number of variable considering he didn't actually see it which would be real time.
Basically his story sounds better if it was before. He truthfully has no real way of knowing.
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The bottom line is not the interval of time as much as whether or not he felt an explosion below him before the impact of the plane.

I believe you guys follow the thesis that the explosions he reported were a result of a fireball generated by jet fuel.

Whereas, Rodriguez reported a fire ball, did he say it was from jet fuel? Any possibility the fire ball Rodriquez reported could have been from something else?
 
RedIbis said:
The bottom line is not the interval of time as much as whether or not he felt an explosion below him before the impact of the plane.

I believe you guys follow the thesis that the explosions he reported were a result of a fireball generated by jet fuel.

Whereas, Rodriguez reported a fire ball, did he say it was from jet fuel? Any possibility the fire ball Rodriquez reported could have been from something else?
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He still can't justify his time line.
When combined with the reports of kerosene like smell and burns not really. Unless you want to go with something like a crude fuel/air bomb or incendiary but want good would that be..
As far as any possibility it's a stretch at best.
 
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As far as any possibility it's a stretch at best.
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But the idea that enough jet fuel survived the impact, and then was propelled hundreds of feet down an elevator shaft that lacks oxygen and is not exactly a hollow tube, remaining ignited and exploding in the basement and the lobby is not a stretch?

I'm not questioning Rodriquez reporting a fireball, I'm asking for the evidence that proves it was fuel from the plane.
 
RedIbis said:
But the idea that enough jet fuel survived the impact, and then was propelled hundreds of feet down an elevator shaft that lacks oxygen and is not exactly a hollow tube, remaining ignited and exploding in the basement and the lobby is not a stretch?

I'm not questioning Rodriquez reporting a fireball, I'm asking for the evidence that proves it was fuel from the plane.
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Not at all. The fuel has to vaporize before it burned so there would be plenty left from the initial fireball. The elevator core has plenty of air. The explosion would be when the fuel hits the bottom of the shaft. Not all that complicated.
What purpose would a incendiary bomb be any way? It would have to be because the blast burned but did not maim anyone. If you were close enough to burn you the blast wave would cause you much more harm.
 
Thank you RedIbis for pointing out the very reason the elevator doors at the lower levels blew out. There's hope yet. :-)

BTW, remember when the same exact thing happened at the Empire state building?
 
You haven't addressed this, RedIbis...

Civilized Worm said:
I'm sure we'll all get a good laugh out of his attempts to explain why he changed his story.
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RedIbis said:
Really? He's quite clear that the explosion that occurs in B2 is seven seconds before the plane impacts the bldg.
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Par said:
Well, being quite clear about one’s current story and having changed that story are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
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Is it your belief that Mr. Rodriguez has not changed his story since first telling it?
 
Stay on topic, do not attack the individuals - tackle the arguments instead. Stay civil.
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