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A Continent Bleeds

Tony

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http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg050300.asp full article


Throw a dart at a map of Sub-Saharan Africa. Assuming you don’t hit a remote wilderness, you will doubtless hit an area of the world where: AIDS is rampant, extreme hunger prevalent, corruption endemic, animal species endangered, and so on. (Before I go much further, please spare me the indignant e-mail saying, "What about the prosperous and peace-loving people of Botswana!?!" There will be plenty of stuff further down to get indignant about. Indeed, further disclosure: This ain’t a funny column.)

Africa is a mess. It is a mess by any civilized measure of human progress. It is a mess by most uncivilized measures of human progress. If you do not think so, you are plagued by a paternalistic and racist notion of what progress is.

In Sierra Leone, children have had their arms lopped off by rebels. These mass amputations took place while the United States bombed Kosovo. South Africa is so besieged by rapists that celebrities are cutting public-service ads asking young men to refrain. In Zimbabwe, the government has declared war on white farmers who produce most of the food for the country. In nation after nation, warlords and rebel generals harass and murder by the thousands — motivated by no discernible ideology except clannish ambition, cruelty, and greed. There has been a holocaust rolling across Africa for decades, and nobody cares.

By my rough calculation, AIDS and malaria kill more Africans in one year than handguns have "killed" Americans in the history of the US. Half of all Zambians are expected to eventually die from AIDS. Somewhere between 13% and 50% of Zambian children have been orphaned by the disease. One of the reasons that Africa has such high infection rates is that many African men believe they can be cured of the disease by having sex with a young virgin. Just last month South Africa’s President, Thabo Mbeki, wrote a letter to world leaders claiming that AIDS was a "uniquely African" catastrophe and therefore rich white nations had no right to denounce his country’s "alternative" treatments. Even in the few countries where murder, mayhem, and disease are "under control," corruption and poverty are staples of everyday life.

A TRULY GREAT AMERICA
Conservatives have been enjoying a healthy debate for the last few years on something called "American Greatness." The idea, mostly pushed by our friends at The Weekly Standard, is a fairly amorphous notion that America should do big things to fulfill its destiny, and conservatives should not shy from the idea that government must do these big things. Libertarians and economic conservatives have been very fond of teeing off on this idea, largely because the Greatness crowd is at pains to offer some good examples of what these big things would be. Most of the things they suggest were already done by Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson. Unfortunately, greatness conservatives are slow to realize that we do not live in an age where we need another department of agriculture, some more land-grant colleges, or a push to bust the trusts. This obvious fact often has the result of making these guys sound more like troublemakers. (They like to invoke "creative destruction" a lot. What the "creative" part describes is To Be Announced, but the "destruction" part is largely a euphemism for the Republican party.)

One putative Greatness Conservative is Charles Krauthammer. He recently made a powerful case in The Weekly Standard for sending men to Mars. I agree with Krauthammer. Great civilizations create great cathedrals, and the cathedrals of this generation should be in outer space. Cathedrals inspire rich and poor people alike to believe great things are possible. The Mars Polar Lander cost the average American the price of half a cheeseburger. A human lander would cost the average American more — perhaps even ten cheeseburgers! So be it. That is no great sacrifice.

But if great sacrifice is the measure of true greatness, then the answer does not lie on the surface of Mars. One need only look to the area on this planet where it appears time is moving in the wrong direction. The average African is indisputably worse off today than he was thirty or forty years ago. Of what other place can you say such a thing?

LET'S GO TO AFRICA
Last summer, two teenage boys from Guinea, Yaguine Koita, 14, and Fode Tounkara,15, sneaked into the wheel well of a plane bound for Europe. These boys wanted a better life in the North. They never got it. They froze to death in 55-degrees-below-zero weather at 35,000 feet. But they had carried a letter, stuffed under their layers of clothes, written in the eventuality of their death.

''Excellencies, Messrs. members and officials of Europe," they began. "…. if you see that we have sacrificed and risked our lives, it is because there is too much suffering in Africa and we need you to struggle against poverty and put an end to war in Africa." The handwriting was poor and the grammar even worse but the humility of the plea was powerful. ''Finally, we appeal to you to excuse us very, very much for daring to write this letter to the great personages to whom we owe much respect..." These boys did not want the world to forget Africa as it moved on its merry way to the 21st century. Alas, that’s exactly what seems to be happening.

The letter set off a heated debate in Europe about the obligations of colonialists to their former colonies


Yes, this would seem imperial, for there would certainly be wars declared against us. French writers would break their pencils in defiance of the American Empire. Kofi Annan would need a pacemaker. Pat Buchanan would move to Canada. But being imperial is not necessarily a bad thing. The British Empire decided unilaterally that the global practice of slavery was a crime against God and man, and they set out to stop it. They didn’t care about the "sovereignty" of other nations when it came to an evil institution. They didn’t care about the "rule of international law," they made law with the barrel of a cannon.

Recently, we’ve heard a lot from the Left about how great Cuba is because it has free health care. American liberals are perfectly willing to countenance Cuba’s state-sanctioned murder and the abrogation of virtually all civil rights in exchange for free mammograms and tonsillectomies. Ending poverty and hunger — barely — ought to be worth a mighty price for these men and women who spout daily about the right to burn flags and receive government payments for artfully arranged fecal matter. One wonders what they would be willing to accept for African children to grow up with arms and families intact.

As for what conservatives would be willing to accept, I have no idea.

But I have a sense quite a few of them will tell me.

Africa is a hellhole. Something radical needs to be done to pull that continent out of the 6 th century.
 
Go to the majority negro cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor?
 
corplinx said:
Go to the majority negro cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor?
Go to the majority cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor? :confused:
 
corplinx said:
Go to the majority negro cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor?


I hope not.
 
Bjorn said:
Go to the majority cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor? :confused:

I thought the latest statistics showed that negroes had a _much_ larger rate of aids infection than other races in the same geographic areas of America. I also thought that the murder rates were highest in areas where the majority of people are black. I could be wrong. I want to be.

I guess that poverty would be the most common factor?
 
corplinx said:


I thought the latest statistics showed that negroes had a _much_ larger rate of aids infection than other races in the same geographic areas of America. I also thought that the murder rates were highest in areas where the majority of people are black. I could be wrong. I want to be.

I guess that poverty would be the most common factor?
AIDS cases by race, from 1981 until now:

................................whites..................blacks

United States......... 337,035...............301,784
California..................74,145 ................21,714
San Francisco..........20,651.................. 3,413

http://www.aidshotline.org/crm/asp/refer/statistics/stats_race.asp

I also guess poverty (or rather the environment one grows up in) influences murder rates. :(

Jazz - I love it myself. :p
 
corplinx said:
Go to the majority negro cities of america and you will find aids, people killing each other, all that jazz. Is there a common factor?
Bullpucky. Go to majority white cities and you find whte people there doing all of the same things.
 
jj said:

Bullpucky. Go to majority white cities and you find whte people there doing all of the same things.

You have some facts you'd like to share that backs up that assertion?
 
I have jj on ignore, but I see his reply from the previous post. I didnt say that other races dont have the same problems. I was talking about the evidence that it occurs _at higher rates_.
 
hammegk said:


You have some facts you'd like to share that backs up that assertion?
Hammy.
Even a racist such as your good self is surely not suggesting that whites are not affected by Disease or are not killing each other.
One day you are going to realise that crime rates are linked to poverty and social factors and not the colour of someones skin.

wake up....
 
The Fool said:

Hammy.
Even a racist such as your good self is surely not suggesting that whites are not affected by Disease or are not killing each other.
One day you are going to realise that crime rates are linked to poverty and social factors and not the colour of someones skin.

wake up....

I wondered when someone would pull out the "R" word.
 
The Fool said:

One day you are going to realise that crime rates are linked to poverty and social factors and not the colour of someones skin.


Even a politically correct fool such as yourself may eventually look at facts and statistics rather than happy wishes. And BTW, you seem overly worried by skin color; I'm not. IQ is a much better predictor of success in "our" civilized worlds.


And yes jj, all humans have similar afflictions -- we are discussing a matter of degree. Do you concur the US AIDS stats show a large over-representation of blacks?
 
You see strong correlations in almost all countries between:
  • poverty and lack of education
  • poverty and crime
  • poverty and AIDS
  • poverty and illigimate children
  • poverty and infant mortality
  • poverty and lifespan (inverse relationship)

I think you will find these correlations to be true regardless of race or religion.

Now what is to be done about this? I don't have a cure-all plan. I believe that there must be a balance between capitalism and socialism that allows people to succeed with hard work (capitalism), but not be condemned to a life of poverty because of the circumstances into which they were born (socialism).
 
"I thought the latest statistics showed that negroes had a _much_ larger rate of aids infection than other races in the same geographic areas"

Since Bjorn provided stats which refute this claim, I'm curious where you get your stats from.

"negroes" :eek:
 
DavidJames said:
"I thought the latest statistics showed that negroes had a _much_ larger rate of aids infection than other races in the same geographic areas"

Since Bjorn provided stats which refute this claim, I'm curious where you get your stats from.


Actually he didn't (refute the claim) , since according to the 1999 Census, the Black population in the U.S. was about 13% of the total. I don't believe it has increased by a significant amount since then.

Based on Bjorns figures, the disparity is pretty staggering.
1999 Census Figures

I'd feel a lot better if someone could refute those numbers..
 
Diogenes said:


Actually he didn't (refute the claim) , since according to the 1999 Census, the Black population in the U.S. was about 13% of the total. I don't believe it has increased by a significant amout since then.

Based on Bjorns figures, the disparity is pretty staggering.
1999 Census Figures

I'd feel a lot better if someone could refute those numbers..
And I'd guess that that the disparity of how many Blacks live in poverty compared to the average in the US is pretty staggering too. Some have proposed that this is because of racial inferiority. What do you think?
 
Tricky said:

And I'd guess that that the disparity of how many Blacks live in poverty compared to the average in the US is pretty staggering too. Some have proposed that this is because of racial inferiority. What do you think?

On the assumption that this is not a rhetorical question, my answer would be, that I am personally appalled and saddened, when anyone is treated inferiorly because of the color of their skin.

Unfortunately, this is a disease (racism) that is still rampant in the U.S., as well as other places in the world.

I propose that anyone who displays such behaviour, is a shining light, for the sorry state of human spiritual evolution.
 
I think we have officially hijacked this thread. Anyone with anything more to say about the plight of the African negro?
 
Diogenes said:


Actually he didn't (refute the claim) , since according to the 1999 Census, the Black population in the U.S. was about 13% of the total. I don't believe it has increased by a significant amount since then.

Based on Bjorns figures, the disparity is pretty staggering.
1999 Census Figures

I'd feel a lot better if someone could refute those numbers..
You are right in many ways. However:

In year 2000, 59.5% of California's population were whites. 60% of the AIDS cases until now were whites - a nice correlation.

6.7% of the population were blacks, while 17% of the AIDS cases were blacks - an over-representation.

32.4% of the population were latinos, while 20% of the AIDS cases were latinos.

In other words, whites have exactly as much AIDS as we should expect, latinos have less and blacks more. Maybe blacks just have more sex? :p
 

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