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911oz gives us some fallacy finding work for Christmas!

Mobyseven

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Got the following email from the Australian 9/11 truth group for Christmas. Rather than quietly brew over it myself, I thought, "Ah, dammit, it can be my Christmas pressie for the CT forum!"

So, lets see how many fallacies you all can spot...

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Hello Truthers,

Thanks firstly for your friendship, and secondly for your honesty for engaging in critical reflection on the most pressing issue of our time.

Many people have told us that justice for 9/11 is not the key to anything important. They have told us we are wasting our time focussing on this single topic when there are so many more important ongoing crises in the world. They have suggested that we do this because it makes us feel important to be in possession of secret information or because we have a childish belief that there must be an all knowing conspiracy behind events which are better explained by incompetence, blind chance and the dumb luck of those who "hate our freedoms".

Some people just don't get it.

Regardless of who actually carried out the attacks, and irrespective of any specific unanswered questions about what happened on that day, 9/11 is the defining myth which shapes our age. It is a symbol and a tool which the power elites are using to bludgeon the western liberal democracies into a new age of slavery.

They are dismantling democracy, and 9/11 is the crowbar.

Naomi Wolf states in her recent book, The End Of America:

So it turns out we really are at war - a long war, a global war, a war for our civilisation.
It is a war to save our democracy .
Each one needs to enlist. We have noone to spare.

Australia is a very different place to the U.S.A. and we recently freed ourselves from a longstanding conservative government, so why am I quoting from Naomi?

Why, instead of feeling like I have been liberated, do I feel like the noose has been tightened?

Maybe it's because the mantra of the war on terror as a pretext for every kind of assault on human dignity is perpetuated day after day by the mass media. Maybe it's because we continue to see political interference in the courts over "terror suspects" - even where no crime has been committed. Two examples are David Hicks, who committed no crime under Australian law, and Dr. Muhammed Haneef who committed no crime at all. Despite having been exonerated by the highest court in the land, Haneef appears to be in the sights of the newly elected Labor Government, which now wants to further toughen the laws to allow them to expel him from the country.

Haneef's "fault" is that he has a cousin who is alleged to be connected to two individuals who were alleged to be responsible for a failed terrorist plot. Since the alleged conspirators are both dead, and in the absence of any media interest in following up on the story, it seems unlikely that we will ever learn any more about the botched Glasgow bombing.

David Hicks is to be put under control orders on his release, any breach of which could see him return to prison for another five years. For David, making a call from a payphone would constitute such a breach.

Maybe it's because of the avalanche of changes in the way our lives are policed, surveilled, restricted and manipulated, but many of us believe that these high profile cases are merely a taste of things to come.

Kevin Rudd has stated that Australia is in Afghanistan "for the long haul" yet no reasons are given. He has also announced plans to train Iraqi soldiers.

Why are we involved in these obnoxious wars? Why is there no public discussion?

The answer rings back loud and clear: 9/11


Happy Christmas from 911oz.

www.911oz.com

Hello Truthers,

Thanks firstly for your friendship, and secondly for your honesty for engaging in critical reflection on the most pressing issue of our time.

Many people have told us that justice for 9/11 is not the key to anything important. They have told us we are wasting our time focussing on this single topic when there are so many more important ongoing crises in the world. They have suggested that we do this because it makes us feel important to be in possession of secret information or because we have a childish belief that there must be an all knowing conspiracy behind events which are better explained by incompetence, blind chance and the dumb luck of those who "hate our freedoms".

Some people just don't get it.

Regardless of who actually carried out the attacks, and irrespective of any specific unanswered questions about what happened on that day, 9/11 is the defining myth which shapes our age. It is a symbol and a tool which the power elites are using to bludgeon the western liberal democracies into a new age of slavery.

They are dismantling democracy, and 9/11 is the crowbar.

Naomi Wolf states in her recent book, The End Of America:

So it turns out we really are at war - a long war, a global war, a war for our civilisation.
It is a war to save our democracy .
Each one needs to enlist. We have noone to spare.

Australia is a very different place to the U.S.A. and we recently freed ourselves from a longstanding conservative government, so why am I quoting from Naomi?

Why, instead of feeling like I have been liberated, do I feel like the noose has been tightened?

Maybe it's because the mantra of the war on terror as a pretext for every kind of assault on human dignity is perpetuated day after day by the mass media. Maybe it's because we continue to see political interference in the courts over "terror suspects" - even where no crime has been committed. Two examples are David Hicks, who committed no crime under Australian law, and Dr. Muhammed Haneef who committed no crime at all. Despite having been exonerated by the highest court in the land, Haneef appears to be in the sights of the newly elected Labor Government, which now wants to further toughen the laws to allow them to expel him from the country.

Haneef's "fault" is that he has a cousin who is alleged to be connected to two individuals who were alleged to be responsible for a failed terrorist plot. Since the alleged conspirators are both dead, and in the absence of any media interest in following up on the story, it seems unlikely that we will ever learn any more about the botched Glasgow bombing.

David Hicks is to be put under control orders on his release, any breach of which could see him return to prison for another five years. For David, making a call from a payphone would constitute such a breach.

Maybe it's because of the avalanche of changes in the way our lives are policed, surveilled, restricted and manipulated, but many of us believe that these high profile cases are merely a taste of things to come.

Kevin Rudd has stated that Australia is in Afghanistan "for the long haul" yet no reasons are given. He has also announced plans to train Iraqi soldiers.

Why are we involved in these obnoxious wars? Why is there no public discussion?

The answer rings back loud and clear: 9/11


Happy Christmas from 911oz.

www.911oz.com

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Happy Hunting!
 
OK, found one: Repeating a mail twice doesn't make it true.

What do I win? :D
 
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I love that the mail starts with
Many people have told us that justice for 9/11 is not the key to anything important.
and then, erm, mentions nothing about the 9/11 attacks again throughout the email.

Come on aussies! Building 7 was obviously a CD! The owner told you so on live television!1 Fire can't melt steel!11 3 steel buildings never happened in teh history!!1111111 Stand down!111232 etc etc etc
 
I got that email as well. I stopped reading after "Two examples are David Hicks..." :) The way they worded that phrase essentially said "Yeah... he trained with al Qaeda and met with Osama Bin Laden, but that wasn't against Australian law so he's a victim of the evil government and he's a great man". If I ever needed evidence that these kooks are terrorist sympathizers, that's it right there.
 
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Well it was rather pointless.

Although in another note Dr Haneef did cause a fair amount of ridicule towards the government.
 
Naomi Wolf states in her recent book, The End Of America:

So it turns out we really are at war - a long war, a global war, a war for our civilisation.
It is a war to save our democracy .
Each one needs to enlist. We have noone to spare.
Naomi Wolf is an idiot that pretends she knows what she is talking about. Somehow someway she think it's a good idea to compare the United States to a country with a democracy that was designed to default to a dictatorship during a lame duck session. I'll give you one guess as to what country we are talking about.
 
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From the e-mail...

Regardless of who actually carried out the attacks, and irrespective of any specific unanswered questions about what happened on that day,...

It's like last month's Stundie winner. Even when they're wrong, it's still the truth. These guys are really giving up.

Steve S.
 
Naomi Wolf is an idiot that pretends she knows what she is talking about. Somehow someway she think it's a good idea to compare the United States to a country with a democracy that was designed to default to a dictatorship during a lame duck session. I'll give you one guess as to what country we are talking about.

Weimar Germany.

Though others have used it as well. A perennial fave.
 
I like how after that diatribe on how we're all headed for the gulags, he signs off with a cheery little "Happy Christmas". If it wasn't from the Truthers I'd think it was intentionally ironic.
 
Mmm...some parts made me laugh, but the Hick stuff just annoys me. "What? He gets out of prison and there are still restrictions placed on him? POLICE STATE!!!"

It's like some people have never heard of 'parole'.
 
It appears that whoever authored that email has far less interest in the attacks that occurred on 9/11 than he has in using those attacks to further his own agenda. Oh, the irony.
 
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I got that email as well. I stopped reading after "Two examples are David Hicks..." :) The way they worded that phrase essentially said "Yeah... he trained with al Qaeda and met with Osama Bin Laden, but that wasn't against Australian law so he's a victim of the evil government and he's a great man". If I ever needed evidence that these kooks are terrorist sympathizers, that's it right there.

So you believe the Hicks case was all above board?

I think the way the US government handled the Hicks case was deplorable.
 

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