28th Kingdom Challenges JREFers!

Thank god he found LCF!

His dumbness belongs where dumbness gravitates to; LCF.

So, I want a JEFer to tell me... how the collapse of the Twin Towers differentiated from a pancake collapse. That is the 3.5 billion dollar question...
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It was more like a cluster flop, a kind of chaos theory all things falling kind of failure where it looks like the energy released was 248 tons of TNT.

Darn, that was the energy released in each tower! 248 TONS of TNT. It was a gravity collapse. But 28th can help us out with his physics expertise. Right?

Of course we could ask 28thKingdumb to fix his work! 28th?

Originally Posted by 28th Kingdom
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I was going off of freefall times that someone else came up with. According to this video, freefall for flat steel beams would be 5.6 seconds over the distance of 100 meters.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

So we divide 100 meters into the height of WTC 2 (415m) We get 4.15.

4.15 X 5.6 = 23.24 seconds.
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How can you answer a question form 28th the mental giant of math and physics; I defer to his analysis and make the claim it is on par with anything produced by LCF loyalist and LC videos now or in the future.
 
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If 28th was really looking for answers instead of pushing his anti-JREF agenda he would have contacted NIST themselves. Or even a structural engineer. Although we are more than capable to answer his query, he is sadly mistaken if he thinks that we are somehow obliged to respond to him. The same applies to P'doh, Dylan Avery, and everyone else in the 9/11 Truth Movement. The funniest thing is the attention we "debunkers" are getting. The 9/11 Truth Movement is having an incredibly hard time dealing with the "JREF'ers" and "the Debunkers". We have practically killed their movement. They have failed to realize that their strongest opposition is the layman. If/When the professionals (engineers etc.) get involved, game over truth movement. At the end of the day, posting the same theories over and over again in these forums is not getting them any closer to a new investigation. If they contacted some structural engineers and NIST with a legitimate concern that proves to be valid, they will get a new investigation. The reason they won't contact the appropriate persons is because deep down, they know they're wrong but they want it to be true so bad.
 
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The Doc said:
If 28th was really looking for answers instead of pushing his anti-JREF agenda he would have contacted NIST themselves. Or even a structural engineer. Although we are more than capable to answer his query, he is sadly mistaken if he thinks that we are somehow obliged to respond to him. The same applies to P'doh, Dylan Avery, and everyone else in the 9/11 Truth Movement. The funniest thing is the attention we "debunkers" are getting. The 9/11 Truth Movement is having an incredibly hard time dealing with the "JREF'ers" and "the Debunkers". We have practically killed their movement. They have failed to realize that their strongest opposition is the layman. If/When the professionals (engineers etc.) get involved, game over truth movement. At the end of the day, posting the same theories over and over again in these forums is not getting them any closer to a new investigation. If they contacted some structural engineers and NIST with a legitimate concern that proves to be valid, they will get a new investigation. The reason they won't contact the appropriate persons is because deep down, they know they're wrong but they want it to be true so bad.
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Pretty much so. Instead of taking the time to speak with the actual experts and those in charge at the time, they waste their energy on debunked theories. The only reason why they hate us is because we expose them for the frauds they are, just like how Brown hates Randi, and 99% of Americans hate Penn and Teller.
 
The only challenge 28K poses to us is how to breach his Shield of Stupid.
 
28th Kingdom was on this rant here, too, wasn't he? Since he didn't like the refutation of points he made then, he's not likely to care for them when repeated(*).

Maybe we can invent some new facts he'd prefer.





* Proof by repetition is a patented twofer technique. We are not licensed to use it. The same is true for proof by assumption, proof by misunderstanding, and proof by deception.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
C'mon Einsteen, NIST wasn't CHARGED with describing the "collapse", the were only instructed to find the mechanism for INITIATION. They fulfilled their mandate. We don't need any complicated "calculations" or "modelling". Once the "collapse" was "initiated", it was "unstoppable". Total "collapse" was "obvious".
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Bad NIST! not listening to the little truth gang and sticking to your mandate. You should know better! Now, go and get yourselves together again and then proceed to look into every imaginable possibility their little pea brains can think of, and then when you find all the answers still point toward arab terrorists, expect the pea brains to whine and cry again, and demand you look into some other possibilities....Judy Would! Once Death Stars and Thermite are proven wrong, I am sure they will have some new, even more rediculous and over the top suggestions for what "really" happened on 9/11.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Bad NIST! not listening to the little truth gang and sticking to your mandate. You should know better! Now, go and get yourselves together again and then proceed to look into every imaginable possibility their little pea brains can think of, and then when you find all the answers still point toward arab terrorists, expect the pea brains to whine and cry again, and demand you look into some other possibilities....Judy Would! Once Death Stars and Thermite are proven wrong, I am sure they will have some new, even more rediculous and over the top suggestions for what "really" happened on 9/11.

TAM:)
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And find out what the airspeed velocity of an African swallow is!

And no singing!
 
uruk said:
It wasn't LIHOP or MIHOP. It was IHOP!!!!*
That's International House Of Pancakes
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It always made me hungry, for the rooty, tooty, fresh and fruity breakfast deal! Mostly at 3am, but still! Just like that, this is your brain, and this is your brain, on drugs commercial! Hey Bogart... pass the dutchie, on the left hand side!
 
Gravy said:
http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/
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A very "uplifting" link, thanks much. An Alternate (Conspiracy?) Theory to that of Dr. Cooper's:

I am in full agreement with Mr. Cooper's assertion. In addition to considering a second study regarding the load bearing capacity of the European Swallow (Hirundo rustica), given the non-relevant migratory pattern of the South African Swallow (Hirundo spilodera), I believe the scientific community also needs to consider the antecedent to the fully-laden swallow flight, that being a question of the biometric capacity of a swallow to grasp a coconut by the husk.
This link of a picture of Hirundo rustica shows with great definition the diminutive nature of the species claw. As such, there are potentially two critical biometric questions.
  1. EXTENTION CAPACITY: Does the fully extended Hirundo rustica claw have the capacity to gain adequate grip upon the husk.
  2. STRENGTH: If so, does the Hirundo rustica have the grip strength to maintain its grip on the husk during extended migratory flight?
Potentially, even more significant antecedents involves the bird's motivation and ethics? Why would a Hirundo rustica attempt to carry a coconut to England? From an agri-ethics standpoint, would the bird transplant non-native fauna to a foreign land? Lest we be accused of being armchair ornithological psycologists — or even worse pop-culture agri-ethicists — I recommend we seek out specialists in these area before proceeding. — William Koleszar
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28th?
No offense... but some of you JREFers are just plain dumb.
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Reminds me of 28th's physics. Is being plain dumb, an order of magnitude better than what ever kind of dumb 28thKingdumb is?

Originally Posted by 28th Kingdom

I was going off of freefall times that someone else came up with. According to this video, freefall for flat steel beams would be 5.6 seconds over the distance of 100 meters.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

So we divide 100 meters into the height of WTC 2 (415m) We get 4.15.

4.15 X 5.6 = 23.24 seconds.
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28th fractured the laws of physics. Physics, not a strong suit of loyal LC LCF posters. Yet, the "mental",, giants see their lies as the salvation of the world;
One more note to JREF

I have been a part of this internet community for a over a year now.I have pretty much read every post since i started on the old forum. After examining many hundreds of your posts over there, i can sincerely say that the people on this forum have a hard-on for humanity.It isn't hard to see this. The people here have a genuine love for everyone on the planet. JREF posters however, are not the same. I have not yet figured out if you people are totally heartless, because i'am still trying to get past why so many people over there keep re-hashing Simpsons, and South Park quotes. You are a wacky bunch. Your leader? What kind of "critical thinking" human being, thinks that two or more people in the USA government have never conspired secretly for their own benefit? Pretty kooky if you ask me.

Oh, and sorry if i ever bullied you people in high school. I'm not like that anymore!
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Since he is not a bully now, is he still dumb as dirt as he was in high school? Can he help 28th with physics?

Dylan, as always asking questions,
Are you quite done?
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Dylan's Censorship protects all loyal LCF posters from any harm caused by thinking or burning up their brains to calculate anything. Dylan will do their thinking, and through censorship save them from any facts that could mess up the fiction they love to spread.

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Do not go here LCF loyalist, you will learn the fiction that LC is.

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/ProgressiveCollapseWTC-6-23-2006.pdf

Can the giants of thinking, like astorstraussenheim, 28th, and look-up solve 28th's cupcake problem?
 
MikeW said:
Why challenge JREFers? I have a better idea.

Zdenek P. Bazant has a piece in the March 2007 edition of the Journal of Engineering Mechanics, titled "Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from Trade Center and Building Demolitions". In it he describes why the WTC collapsed, and for instance says:


The tower was doomed? The speed of the collapse was no surprise? No further analysis is necessary? Amazing! It's almost as though he's never heard of Ace Baker or Gordon Ross.

Anyway, if the truthers really want to get the message out, then surely here's a perfect opportunity. Write a response to Bazant, show how he's really just an incompetent idiot who has no idea what he's talking about, and get it aired in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Far more productive than challenging us, surely? So go to it. And be sure to report back regularly on how you're getting on.
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Nice try, Mike, but it won't do.

Multiple Nobel prize winner 28th Kingdom has trashed this paper!
Not with meaningless equations, mind you, but with the true weapons of science: Youtube and ellipses!

28th Kingdom@LCF said:
Man, the speed at which all three of these buildings fell violates the law of physics... and many people have already explained this. Here is one decent video that covers this topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

I mean... WTC 7 could have been made of playdoh, and it would have provided more resistance than the steel in this building. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE for these steel structured high-rise buildings to fall as fast as they did. In fact, it doesn't even begin to approach the law of physics.

JREFers even argue, how close they fell to free fall speeds... EVEN THOUGH yer beloved NIST clearly states, that the towers DID, in fact, come down at essentially free fall speeds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RzwmD8uB8g

If you can't view things on this most basic level, and understand how utterly impossible it was for these buildings to collapse the way they did, than nothing is going to help you.

If I were to present some abstract equation, we could go on forever arguing about the logistics of it... but there is one fundamental law that you can't refute and that is the speed at which an object falls. And, the speed at which the towers collapsed (fell)... violates this law. Why? Because a very basic understanding of physics (you know like... solid steel can't pass through solid steel) tells us... that the steel had to provide significant resistance to the collapses... yet, it provided virtually ZERO resistance... and, that defies science.

That's basically saying the steel in WTC 7 had physical properties comparable to cardboard or paper. And, that's NOT Strawman... I mean, what material would have provided less resistance than the steel in WTC 7? Think about it... use hypothetical situations... like, okay, if this building was made of balsa wood... would it have collapsed any faster than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
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einsteen said:
He was blocked here, wasn't he, here is the original LC thread btw

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3764
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To be perfectly clear, he blocked himself:

Darat said:
28th Kingdom has been suspended for 7 days for multiple breaches of his or her Membership agreement including ""Extremely cruel or hateful content directed toward another user".

NB - 28th Kingdom no longer wishes to have an active Membership here so his or her account has been set to "unregistered".

ETA: So that there is no misinformation regarding this matter, in a PM to me yesterday 28th Kingdom stated (as part of a long PM) that

"I have decided that I no longer want to be a part of this forum ...."

In light of this request his/her account was deactivated (unregistered), however via email he has made it clear that he/she is not happy with this and wishes to be "banned", however no longer wishing to have an active Membership and being "banned" are not the same, he/she chose to leave.
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