Merged 2024 Election Thread

[Samson]

Biden has removed the rights to due process for male students in educational institutions.
The only path to restoration is to vote for Trump.
There it is for Biden worshippers, compelled false pronouns and a gateway for females to falsely accuse.
This does not mean sexual assault is ok, it means due process should be paramount, and Biden has removed it with unelected officials.

Women and girls have been dealt a savage blow.
Male students are exposed to having their lives ruined by vengeful females.
I am fascinated how this thread can spin this.

 

[Aridas]

Biden has removed the rights to due process for male students in educational institutions.
The only path to restoration is to vote for Trump.
There it is for Biden worshippers, compelled false pronouns and a gateway for females to falsely accuse.
This does not mean sexual assault is ok, it means due process should be paramount, and Biden has removed it.

Women and girls have been dealt a savage blow.
I am fascinated how this thread can spin this.

I'm more fascinated at how you fell for that spin, given how unreasonable it is.

The right to due process for male students in educational institutions has not even remotely been removed by the recently announced rule changes, before even touching any of the rest of that. You're starting with a brazen lie, which rather makes this look like a case of GIGO.

The whole "Women are being treated better? This is a savage blow to them!" is also a bit of an "interesting" argument.

 

[Samson]

I'm more fascinated at how you fell for that spin, given how unreasonable it is.

The right to due process for male students in educational institutions has not even remotely been removed by the recently announced rule changes, before even touching any of the rest of that. You're starting with a brazen lie, which rather makes this look like a case of GIGO.

You just made a torrent of false statements.
I shouldn't care but this disgusting virus spreads through the west.

 

[Aridas]

You just made a torrent of false statements..

Doubling down on the lies, I see?

To be clear, male students had due process before the Trump Administration. The Trump Administration changed the rules to be much more favorable to those accused, rightly and wrongly, which opened the way for more actual sexual assault and discrimination. The main relevant changes here largely rollback those changes - but not completely. It's utterly dishonest to try to claim that male students no longer have due process because rules were mostly reverted back to a recent time when they had due process.

I shouldn't care but this disgusting virus spreads through the west

The BS you're trying to push is disgusting, yes. Maybe it's because it's disgusting that you fell for it so easily? Disgust is a common emotion exploited by the purveyors of hate, after all. It is so much easier to trick those not thinking straight, after all.

 

[Stacyhs]

Biden has removed the rights to due process for male students in educational institutions.
The only path to restoration is to vote for Trump.
There it is for Biden worshippers, compelled false pronouns and a gateway for females to falsely accuse.
This does not mean sexual assault is ok, it means due process should be paramount, and Biden has removed it with unelected officials.

Women and girls have been dealt a savage blow.
Male students are exposed to having their lives ruined by vengeful females.
I am fascinated how this thread can spin this.

Unsurprisingly, your assessment of the Title IX regulation revisions is strictly from a right-wing view. "Due process" has not been removed; it's been revised.

The proposed regulation generally requires a recipient to adopt a preponderance of the evidence standard, i.e., to prove that more likely than not discrimination occurred. The prior regulation (from the Trump administration) required a recipient to adopt the same standard of proof as it adopts for complaints against employees, including faculty, which typically is a clear and convincing evidence standard. The latter standard is so difficult to meet that it can deter those who have experienced sexual harassment and assault from coming forward. The preponderance of the evidence standard appropriately enables the decisionmaker to weigh all available evidence, including the credibility of witnesses, and determine what is likely to have happened without extrinsic corroborating evidence that is oftentimes lacking.

Another critical issue is whether cross examination at a live hearing is mandatory. The proposed regulations give educational institutions flexibility to assess credibility through questioning at individual meetings with the parties or a live hearing. The proposed rule will enable institutions to continue to assess the credibility of witnesses while also tailoring the proceedings to the nature of the allegations and the impact of the proceedings on the complainant and the accused. This approach is cost effective and eliminates the adverse effects that mandatory live hearings can impose upon both parties.

... compelled false pronouns and a gateway for females to falsely accuse.

By "compelled false pronouns", do you mean addressing people by [/B]preferred gender pronouns? Pronouns that reflect their sexual identify and not what genitalia they were born with?

.Women and girls have been dealt a savage blow.

How so?

Male students are exposed to having their lives ruined by vengeful females.

LOL. That old garbage. Just what percentage of sexual harassment/assault cases have been proven to be the result of "vengeful females"? "She's lying. She's just angry because ___________(fill in the blank)" was a standard response from men. Compare that to the number of women and girls who don't come forward out of fear of not being believed.

 

[Stacyhs]

An excellent article to help dispel the "Male students are exposed to having their lives ruined by vengeful females," nonsense.

What kind of person makes false rape accusations?

Furthermore, in the most detailed study ever conducted of sexual assault reports to police, undertaken for the British Home Office in the early 2000s, out of 216 complaints that were classified as false, only 126 had even gotten to the stage where the accuser lodged a formal complaint. Only 39 complainants named a suspect. Only six cases led to an arrest, and only two led to charges being brought before they were ultimately deemed false. (Here, as elsewhere, it has to be assumed that some unknown percentage of the cases classified as false actually involved real rapes; what they don’t involve is countless innocent men’s lives being ruined.)

In every academic study, one of the most common kinds of false accuser is a teenage girl who tells her parents she was raped to avoid getting in trouble. Unwanted pregnancy is sometimes cited by such girls, but the reason can also be trivial; the phrase “missed curfew” shows up with disturbing frequency in these cases. As a rule, it’s the parents who insist on getting police involved. Two different studies have found that almost half of all false rape complaints are lodged by someone other than the alleged victim, usually a parent.
Another kind of case which evaporates rapidly is that of a person who falsely reports a rape in the hope of getting needed medical care or psychiatric medication; in one study, six of the 55 reports classified as false by a police department in one year fit this description. Like the teens who missed their curfew, these false accusers have no interest in pursuing charges after the lie has served its purpose.

Almost invariably, adult false accusers who persist in pursuing charges have a previous history of bizarre fabrications or criminal fraud.

Crystal Mangum, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case, was the archetypal false accuser. She had previously reported another brutal rape/kidnapping in which no one was ever charged. She had a previous felony conviction, and she ultimately went to prison for an unrelated crime (in her case, murdering her boyfriend). She had trouble keeping her stripping job because the combination of drugs she was on—including both anti-depressants and methadone—made her keep falling asleep at work. Tragically, she seems to have genuinely suffered sexual abuse as a child—another feature that often appears in adult false accusers.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Biden team:

1. Buying votes with illegal offer of student loan forgiveness. Check.
2. Pandering votes from LGBTQ+ by making it a crime for girls to point out there's a penis in their dressing room. Check.

Shep Melnick's reaction regarding Title IX changes:

"Responding to charges that the Department’s Obama-era policies had denied due process and free speech rights to students accused of sexual misconduct, the Trump administration issued regulations that narrowed the definition of sexual harassment, required colleges to hold live hearings with cross-examination of witnesses, and prohibited them from using a “single investigator model” for resolving sexual misconduct cases.

The Biden administration’s proposal does just the opposite: it broadens the definition, eliminates the live hearing and cross-examination requirements, and allows the same person who investigates sexual misconduct complaints to determine guilt and innocence. These are the most controversial elements of the proposal, but there are many more. Other provisions spell out who must report misconduct, how far the responsibilities of schools extend, what triggers an investigation, the burden of proof, and much more."

 

[dirtywick]

starting the pity party early today

 

[Aridas]

I figure that I may as well ask a "simple" question about all this.

Why should any of those here treat this as if the Trump Era rule change wasn't YET ANOTHER solution in search of a problem that just happens to undermine things when it comes to the larger picture? The people Trump put in charge of education were somewhat notoriously out to undermine public education, no less, so there's excellent reason to seriously question pretty much anything they did.

For an example of what I'm talking about with the direct question, though, all those ineffectual efforts to address voter fraud that their proponents couldn't cite a single relevant case that would have been dealt with by using what they pushed that outright harmed election integrity with all the legitimate voting that they made more difficult (or impossible) serve as an example. As a particularly egregious example of that, when they loudly touted systems that got things wrong more than 99% of the time in ways that disenfranchised Democrats significantly more, that wasn't being a champion for election integrity, contrary to all that right-wing hype, that was being exactly the opposite.

Going further on the direct subject, though, to provide a tangentially related but still meaningful point of data on the subject - in Pennsylvania, there was a long standing and large issue with rape kits not being processed. That's a situation that's only good for whichever "side" is in the wrong. It was and is Democrats that have taken action to correct that state of affairs AND have been doing so quite effectively, not Republicans. That's a pretty clear example of a point of data pointing to Democrats being better for actual justice being served all around on the issue, rather than Republicans.

 

[Aridas]

All Trump wants at this point is revenge.

Don't forget staying out of jail despite being a brazen criminal! The kind of criminal that has literally stolen nuclear secrets! Then actively worked to deceive the government when they lawfully sought to reclaim them while sparing him consequences. Then very publicly lied that they were then actually his once that came to light, contrary to the relevant laws and sense, common or otherwise!

Trump would be an absolute nightmare for "the West," yet again, should he be elected.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Unsurprisingly, your assessment of the Title IX regulation revisions is strictly from a right-wing view. "Due process" has not been removed; it's been revised.







By "compelled false pronouns", do you mean addressing people by [/B]preferred gender pronouns? Pronouns that reflect their sexual identify and not what genitalia they were born with?



How so?



LOL. That old garbage. Just what percentage of sexual harassment/assault cases have been proven to be the result of "vengeful females"? "She's lying. She's just angry because ___________(fill in the blank)" was a standard response from men. Compare that to the number of women and girls who don't come forward out of fear of not being believed.

Having had the responsibility for a few years of managing the admin side of child welfare and sexual offences files being forwarded to senior police officers, I can say that the "vengeful female" trope is utter bovine excrement.

I did read quite a number of frankly horrifying stories of serious sexual assaults and rapes that would likely never be prosecuted*, simply because the evidence wasn't there to find the suspected offender.

*The possibility exists, the only statutes of limitations in Ireland for serious cases like these are death or the physical or mental incapacity of the suspect to stand trial (as decided by the court).

 

[zorro99]

I am very happy the House passed aid for Ukraine today.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Vote for Trump please!

That’s the rapist, right? Pass.

 

[Stacyhs]

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Lives are ruined by false accusations.
White kids lives matter.
You don't have a clue either, Bidens DEI drive is a catastrophe for America and the west.

Here is an article from 2018
Read the comments below carefully.

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/20...ureaucrat-poses-as-a-champion-of-due-process/

Read the Media Bias findings on "Minding the Campus" below carefully:

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

“Minding the Campus” (MTC) often provides a critical analysis of higher education’s Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, suggesting a conservative perspective. It uses emotionally loaded language and focuses on perceived negative impacts, often lacking balanced viewpoints.

 

[Stacyhs]

Samson is a rational centrist.
His views were unremarkable a few years ago.

Did you read the article and comments section I posted for a rational centrist position on title IX?

Your views were were quite unremarkable in the 1950's. That's the problem.

Who defined them as a "rational centrist position"? You?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I am very happy the House passed aid for Ukraine today.

Me too.

 

[Pixel42]

For the record: I would much rather live in a society run by good people who occasionally inadvertently do a small amount of harm in their sincere efforts to be fair to everyone than in a society run by, and solely for the benefit of, rich scumbags whose only interest is in maximising their own personal wealth and power at everybody else's expense.

 

[jimbob]

I have moved 63 posts to AAH. I could have moved far more

Trans issues are not the topic of this thread. If they start affecting the election, then insofar as they affect the election and no further will they be on topic (if at all).

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jimbob

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[Aridas]

For the record: I would much rather live in a society run by good people who occasionally inadvertently do a small amount of harm in their sincere efforts to be fair to everyone than in a society run by, and solely for the benefit of, rich scumbags whose only interest is in maximising their own personal wealth and power at everybody else's expense.

Very much so. I feel like adding, very simply, that any decency arguments will pretty inevitably favor the party that isn't trying to elect a man who shamelessly admits to invading women's dressing rooms, isn't a rapist, isn't visiting prostitutes while their wife is pregnant, isn't encouraging violence, isn't...

When it comes to character, Biden's a decent guy. Not perfect, sure, but decent and clearly trying to do the right thing for the country. Doesn't mean that he always gets things right, of course.

Trump, on the other hand, has walked the path of a scumbag celebrity. He's been exceedingly indecent and rarely worked to do the right thing for the country. Doesn't mean that he always got things wrong, of course.

 

[dirtywick]

his stupidity means he often gets things wrong