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It’s a shame we can’t do it by injecting disinfectant. Then we could stop wars and cure Covid in one simple step.
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It’s a shame we can’t do it by injecting disinfectant. Then we could stop wars and cure Covid in one simple step.
ChrisBFRPKY
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https://www.wsj.com/video/kamala-ha...l-issues/DAA0D8FE-AF38-47A0-A8F6-E1B6E04B2BFC
The link to the 2019 debate is above. Kamala started out by saying she did not believe Biden was a Racist, but then went on a rant about him working with two well known segregationist Senators whom Biden worked with to oppose bussing. Charging that Biden acted with known Racists and defended them. The quote is below and if you watch the video Kamala's remarks about Biden begin around the 30 second mark.
“I’m going to now direct this at Vice President Biden: I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground,” she said.
“But I also believe, and it’s personal — it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country,” she continued. “And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And, you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me.”
Thus, your first statement was doubly wrong.
Harris didn’t say Biden was a racist, and Harris didn't criticise Biden for causing busing, but helping end it.
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Name one thing Biden has done to stop the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. In fact I think it has been made illegal for Ukraine to attempt a negotiation to stop the war with Russia. Why would that happen? How would that happen? If Biden is really close friends with Beebee, why hasn't he negotiated a ceasefire to end the war in Gaza? Does he need ALL the Palestinians to die first?
Never ending wars are not something anyone should vote for. I don't know about you but I want the wars and killing to stop immediately, the sooner the better. Anyone that votes for an administration that promotes never ending wars has a very twisted idea of philosophy and questionable morals.
"Genocide Joe" is a nickname Biden has well earned. Your candidate is currently burning the World, do you support this?
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Perhaps you need to watch the video again. Harris' rant was all about calling Biden's actions Racist because he worked with two well known Racists and defended them. In effect, she WAS calling Biden a "Racist" or at least his actions and that was her whole point of bringing up the bussing she endured as a child.
Try again.
Armitage72
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Trump and his supporters don't know how tariffs work. They think they're paid by the countries shipping products to the US, not by the US companies importing them and the consumers.
ChrisBFRPKY
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4 years ago Hamburger here was $1.79 per pound. Usually once a month or so it would go on sale for $0.99 per pound. Now 2024, yesterday, I paid $5.97 per pound at Walmart grocery because it was the cheapest price in our area.
Inflation has reached a little higher than the 18% we are told to believe. Consumer pricing will be a very important issue in the upcoming election.
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Do you intend to argue consumer pricing was higher during Trump's term as President than it is now under Biden?
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Trump-backed Senate candidate faces GOP worries that he could be linked to adult website profile
FILE - Bernie Moreno is acknowledged at a rally with former President Donald Trump at the Delaware County Fairgrounds, on April 23, 2022, in Delaware, Ohio. (AP Photo/Joe Maiorana, File)
WASHINGTON (AP) — For Republicans eager to regain the Senate majority this year, Ohio offers a prime opportunity to pick up a critical seat.
But ahead of Tuesday’s primary election, there’s mounting anxiety inside the GOP that Bernie Moreno may emerge with the nomination. After vaulting into the top tier of contenders with a coveted endorsement from Donald Trump, Moreno — who has shifted from a public supporter of LGBTQ rights to a hardline opponent — is confronting questions about the existence of a 2008 profile seeking “Men for 1-on-1 sex” on a casual sexual encounters website called Adult Friend Finder.
“Hi, looking for young guys to have fun with while traveling,” reads a caption on a photo-less profile under the username “nardo19672,” according to an Associated Press review of records made public through a massive and well-publicized data breach of the website. Records also show the profile was last accessed about six hours after it was created.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-senate-election-2024-bernie-moreno-09e34f6331708c192c89d7c1727c2458
FILE - Bernie Moreno is acknowledged at a rally with former President Donald Trump at the Delaware County Fairgrounds, on April 23, 2022, in Delaware, Ohio. (AP Photo/Joe Maiorana, File)
WASHINGTON (AP) — For Republicans eager to regain the Senate majority this year, Ohio offers a prime opportunity to pick up a critical seat.
But ahead of Tuesday’s primary election, there’s mounting anxiety inside the GOP that Bernie Moreno may emerge with the nomination. After vaulting into the top tier of contenders with a coveted endorsement from Donald Trump, Moreno — who has shifted from a public supporter of LGBTQ rights to a hardline opponent — is confronting questions about the existence of a 2008 profile seeking “Men for 1-on-1 sex” on a casual sexual encounters website called Adult Friend Finder.
“Hi, looking for young guys to have fun with while traveling,” reads a caption on a photo-less profile under the username “nardo19672,” according to an Associated Press review of records made public through a massive and well-publicized data breach of the website. Records also show the profile was last accessed about six hours after it was created.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-senate-election-2024-bernie-moreno-09e34f6331708c192c89d7c1727c2458
Aridas
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For Ukraine, various means of pressure on Russia have been applied, as Biden's sought to thread the needle to prevent even worse war and tragedy.
For Gaza, Biden is calling for a ceasefire for humanitarian aid. It's not a full stop, but a full stop isn't really on the table, given the leadership on each side.
To provide a link that adds a bit more context to that -
Zelenskyy: Negotiating With Putin 'Impossible' After Annexation Claim
Fundamentally, this comes down to Russia consistently being a lying PoS that can neither be trusted to uphold their agreements nor even negotiate with honor. Regardless, for peace, all that is essential to happen is that Russia withdraws to its borders or, for the Russian version of peace, Russia to commit massive genocide and general atrocity against Ukrainians. There's really only one option there that I can support, though.
Fundamentally, the conflict between Hamas and Israel that Palestinian civilians have been suffering from for as long as Hamas has been using them as tools and shields is not one that the US has direct power over. Had the two sides been amenable to actual peace, the US has long made it very clear that they're very willing to mediate and has long offered both support and pressure towards that end. There are a number of forces that are not amenable to said peace, though, and that is absolutely not the sole responsibility of the US.
Of course never ending wars are bad! Of course pretty much all of those here want the wars and killing to stop as soon as possible - with a caveat. It needs to be better in the long run. Appeasement with the safe expectation that the resulting fallout will lead to much worse is very twisted philosophy and requires deeply problematic morals.
Ahh, yes. It's all Biden's fault. Not Putin's. Not Hamas'. Not Bibi's. All Biden.
Even if we were to accept that, what we're looking at now is closer to a controlled burn. What Trump would work to set in motion, based on his promises and actions so far, would be more of an out of control wildfire. I would absolutely take a controlled burn over an out of control wildfire.
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In effect, no, she explicitly said “I do not believe you are a racist”.
Try again.
She also said the words “the importance of finding common ground”. I like that.
Would you support Kamala Harris as President, should that situation arise?
Aridas
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Do you intend to argue that Trump should be credited for how he inherited a smoothly running economy and that nothing else matters?
Trump ****** up badly with COVID after a record of doing things that were short term sugar highs that would case worse problems after Trump's first term and left Biden with a deeply wounded economy. Even so, Biden did a lot to mitigate the damage and get things back on track, guiding the US to surpass pretty much every other comparable country in most metrics, including inflation. Prices are generally higher now - yes, but I'll take Biden's reasonably responsible management over Trump's mind-boggling irresponsibility that had a lot to do with why the prices rose so much in the first place any day.
Blaming Democrats for Republican manufactured disasters and sabotage is hardly some new thing, of course.
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Yet there were no such wildfires during Trump's Presidency. We know this because it's a matter of historic record.
Do you really think it just a coincidence that Putin invaded Ukraine while Obama was in office and again during Biden's term? If it takes a Democrat in office to embolden Putin, that's a great reason to keep a Republican there. (Historically speaking)
Just a quick note regarding the situation in Gaza: This one is a much smaller conflict. There is absolutely no reason this conflict could not be shut down immediately by sending in UN peacekeepers and applying pressure to both the Israeli government and Hamas. Communication is key to resolving conflict and Biden has proven he is either unwilling or unable to do so. More people have just died in these wars during the time it took to type this. Dropping cases of band aids and MRE supplies is not going to end the problem. Building a pier to deliver band aids and MRE supplies is not going to end the problem either. It seems more of a long term plan to continue the conflict rather than end it.
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Let's break that down. During the early days of Covid, Trump imposed travel restrictions on people coming in from China. Biden said Trump's actions were "Xenophobic" Score one for Trump. Like it or not Trump was right.
It's a bit unfair to claim any leader is responsible for a Global pandemic. But in the years since Covid arrived, by far more Americans have died of Covid during the Biden Admin than during the Trump Admin. If you want to go that route.
If however you compare Trump's first three years in office with Biden's first three years there is a staggering difference. Illegal immigration would be the most shocking difference. Biden discontinued Trump's Executive Orders on the border day one of his Presidency. Just to name a few, he cancelled construction of the border wall (as allowed by law), ended remain in Mexico policy, and reinstated catch and release inside the US. This created the current situation at the US border. Crime rates have increased under Biden to the point NYC now has the National Guard mobilized to secure the subway system.
Another shocking difference would be the record setting inflation rates we have experienced under Biden's watch. You could argue that some of this inflation was caused by the pandemic and I would certainly agree. But, the largest cause of inflation has been the printing of money to finance foreign wars. Foreign wars that did not exist during the Trump Presidency.
Finally, I would ask how the Republicans have manufactured the disaster that is our southern border? Considering Biden discontinued Trump's Executive Orders on the border from day one of the Biden Presidency, you've got a tough row to hoe with that one. Considering Democrats had both houses for the first two years this should be good.
Aridas
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With Obama? Coincidence is a reasonable position. Focusing on the leadership of the US is mostly a red herring, though, compared to the actual events in Ukraine and how Russia had just received backlash because of their meddling in Ukraine. They didn't dare directly invade, though, given the deterrents in play.
With Biden? Coincidence is not as reasonable. A fire that Trump helped to set in motion, though, is. Trump acted to weaken or remove quite a bit of what was deterring Russia, throughout his Presidency, with the promise of more to come. Putin was unsurprisingly willing not to make any big new moves while the obstacles in his way were being torn down. Trump offered the promise of continuing to break down the remaining obstacles, so Putin might indeed not have attacked during a second Trump term, if Trump had a second term. Maybe. If Putin did, though, Trump would be more likely to aid him than hinder him. Biden, on the other hand, worked to restore the deterrents that he could. Putin attacked directly, no longer deterred because of Trump, while they weren't restored with the expectation of an extremely swift win, which would help set conditions for further attacks. The rest is pretty much historic record.
How much do you actually know about the drivers of the conflict? Simple communication will not automatically resolve the conflict there. Similarly, while UN Peacekeepers might be able to provide a reprieve, what do you expect them to actually be able to do without simply ending up as a shield behind which terrorism hides?
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Pixel42
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Inflation has been even worse in the UK over the last three years. Is that Biden's fault too?
Was Covid Trump's fault? After all it happened on his watch.
Aridas
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It was pointedly xenophobic, given the hows and the whys, and, by that point, it was too little, too late and took no account of the larger situation. Trump was wrong. At best, he got it a little right, but missed so much that praising him for that little bit is worthy of nothing more than an eyeroll.
Of course. Natural disasters happen. What matters more is how they're dealt with. Trump was not good at actually dealing with disasters, especially the ones that he didn't manufacture. His response can pretty well be summed up as negligence, corruption, and chaos. Biden's follow-up has been fairly competent, effective, and aboveboard.
An inane attempt at a comparison and counterargument, to be sure.
Attempted to, at least. I seem to recall Republicans blocking a number of the attempts, at least for quite a while.
Which was a good thing. Trump's Wall addition attempts were quite problematic in a bunch of ways.
To cite a few reasons why.... Plenty of wall had already been built before Trump, with the Democratic Party supporting such, at the places were it would actually be notably useful. All that focus on building more wall was a waste of time, money, attention, and so on and it did a fine job of distracting Republicans from paying attention to how untouched they left the ports of entry, where the overwhelming amount of the problematic things crossing are, and pretty much everything else that was and is driving the problematic things crossings in the first place - with the added note that Republican policy tends to make the things driving that worse.
Tried. It took well over a year for that to happen. Again, though, this is a good thing. Unless you like working to make the problem of human traffickers worse?
And? At last check, to borrow from the Cato Institute -
Border Patrol: 70 Percent Drop in Successful Evasions Since Title 42 Ended
No. Just no. If you want a very simple thing pointed out to illuminate much of what's going on - illegal immigration is largely driven by the demand for them in the US. There's more to it, obviously, but that's the main fundamental driver. Much of the Republican vilification of illegal immigrants and their perpetual refusal to actually take meaningful action has long been done to scare and suppress the illegal workers that seem to be overwhelmingly hired/exploited by Republicans for far less than a living wage.
You might want to recheck the facts at hand. Crime rates across the board have been FALLING under Biden, after Biden was left with a crime wave that started under Trump. Rather notably falling, in fact. As for the deploying the National Guard, well...
Time to run screaming for the basement and bunker up?
Further, it's likely worth a reminder again that illegal immigrants tend to have a notably lower incidence of more serious crimes than the average US citizen. Hardly a surprise given that they're pointedly trying not to draw the attention of law enforcement.
Rather, a lot was caused by the pandemic and its disruptions to various supply chains and consumer behaviors. That was increased further as many companies (not remotely all) took the opportunity to increase prices in notable excess to the increased costs of doing business because of those disruptions. If I recall correctly, things were calming down at around the time that Russia invaded Ukraine, which did indeed disrupt a bunch of things a fair bit.
Trying to stress that said foreign wars did not exist during the Trump Presidency just takes us right back to how deeply flawed and short-sighted your arguments in the war discussion are, though.
I've already touched on multiple things earlier and could easily touch on more. The really short overview though is that Republicans want two things out of illegal immigration. 1) They want to keep that labor cheap and plentiful. 2) They want the issue for political usage.
Everything else pretty much arises from that. As we all saw, even when Democrats were willing to give Republicans everything they claimed they wanted when it came to immigration in exchange for sending aid to help prevent the genocide of Ukrainians, something that they so recently also claimed to support, Republicans ended up killing that. Seriously, why should anyone trust Republicans to act in good faith on the border or illegal immigration?
As noted, your attempted arguments are exceedingly lacking.
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