Merged 2024 Election Thread

[GlennB]

My 'political spin' as you call it is common sense to anyone actually reading it. It comes from my wide array of sources as a political junkie which I have been all the years I've been in this forum.

You certainly can't counter any of it except from an unreliable over reliance on polls.

I kowtow in the general direction of your magnificence.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I kowtow in the general direction of your magnificence.

 

[Tero]

That's not he sounded this week. It's a 20 min speech. If you don't want to listen to a campaign speech, read the article.

NPR: "Hello UAW"

That wasn't my point. The endless tweets and social media posts about Trump and Biden in public...the independent voters are not going to hear them much. Voting and politics, all this stuff we post on, are of little interest to them. They have a rather casual interest, barely eough to vote.

 

[alfaniner]

I just wan't to voice my profound disappointment and sadness that Vermin Supreme lost in New Hampshire...cause I was really hoping to get a free pony next year.

This is probably the only thing I can give credit to TwiX or Reddit for. I read a "Trending" meme that was about this person, apparently a media personality, getting some of the write-in votes. Otherwise this post would have made no sense to me at all. (I would have assumed he was referring to Trump, but he won - so I would have been really confused.)

 

[PitPat]

That's not he sounded this week. It's a 20 min speech. If you don't want to listen to a campaign speech, read the article.

NPR: "Hello UAW"

Well I for one always base my vote on the endorsement of the United Auto Workers union. And maybe some local officials, like a governor or radio talk show host. Can't be bothered to look up for what the candidate stands. If so-and-so says that's the one, then that is the right choice.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
That's not he sounded this week. It's a 20 min speech. If you don't want to listen to a campaign speech, read the article.

NPR: "Hello UAW"

Well I for one always base my vote on the endorsement of the United Auto Workers union. And maybe some local officials, like a governor or radio talk show host. Can't be bothered to look up for what the candidate stands. If so-and-so says that's the one, then that is the right choice.

That wasn't Skeptic Ginger's point. Her point is that Biden gave a 20 min. articulate speech which contradicts the "Joe stuttering/gaffing", "Dementia Joe", rhetoric.

 

[Solitaire]

Source ?

American Stares Down Trump-Biden Rematch, New York Times

It's a humorous puff piece.

 

[PitPat]

That wasn't Skeptic Ginger's point. Her point is that Biden gave a 20 min. articulate speech which contradicts the "Joe stuttering/gaffing", "Dementia Joe", rhetoric.

Well yeah, I don't think he has dementia either, yet. The UAW president was the lead interview with Jake Tapper today. That's the top story, union endorsement (while an important one) is just an an endorsement for the 367 people in this country who don't already have their minds made up.

 

[Stacyhs]

Well yeah, I don't think he has dementia either, yet. The UAW president was the lead interview with Jake Tapper today. That's the top story, union endorsement (while an important one) is just an an endorsement for the 367 people in this country who don't already have their minds made up.

I think there are a lot more people than that who haven't made up their minds, especially among independents and moderate Republicans.

" I don't think he has dementia either, yet. "

What's with the 'yet'? My mom died at 88 of cancer and was still sharp as a tack. My friend's father is 94 and could out debate Trump easily. So could my FIL at 88.

 

[angrysoba]

My 'political spin' as you call it is common sense to anyone actually reading it. It comes from my wide array of sources as a political junkie which I have been all the years I've been in this forum.

You certainly can't counter any of it except from an unreliable over reliance on polls.

There is nothing to counter.

You say the polls are unreliable therefore Joe Biden will win. That's not common sense in my opinion. Or you say that people are sick and tired of Trump. I hope so, but where is the evidence? Remember you cannot rely on polls because you have disregarded that as a valuable source. Instead you have a "wide array of sources" and you are a "political junkie". The problem is that political junkies tend to be very partisan, and you have already said that you will not repeat anything that you think is not good for Joe Biden even if you believe it. So how do I know if you are telling the truth now?

My take is that we do not know who will win judging by the polls. They seem to be pretty evenly-split. Given that last election saw an unusually huge turnout with Trump getting the second-highest number of votes in any presidential election, behind Joe Biden. That's a scary number given that a) the GOP don't need to win as many votes as the Dem candidate thanks to the vagaries of the electoral college vote, and b) some of the crazier things that Trump did, not only were not a dealbreaker for so many voters in the US, but actually seemed to increase his popularity.

Now, I know you say that people should not say negative things about Biden for fear of making people believe it, but it is going to be a far better bet to let people know that they should not be complacent. Trump could certainly win if Democratic voters don't go out in droves, and you shouldn't be pushing overly optimistic claims.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That wasn't Skeptic Ginger's point. Her point is that Biden gave a 20 min. articulate speech which contradicts the "Joe stuttering/gaffing", "Dementia Joe", rhetoric.

Yes, this ^.

 

[angrysoba]

I think there are a lot more people than that who haven't made up their minds, especially among independents and moderate Republicans.

" I don't think he has dementia either, yet. "

What's with the 'yet'? My mom died at 88 of cancer and was still sharp as a tack. My friend's father is 94 and could out debate Trump easily. So could my FIL at 88.

Yes, this ^.

Well, I guess you have got us all talking about Biden being old and floating the question of dementia.

We literally weren't saying that until now, so you have put it on the agenda.

I mean, I have no idea about whether he has dementia. He has always had something of a stutter, from what I understand, so some of his verbal gaffes and incoherence could be put down to that.

But I think it is undeniable that he has less energy than most of us would like. The evidence for him being perfectly fine, seems to be a twenty minute speech read from a teleprompter. I mean, that's low-hanging fruit.

 

[PitPat]

Can we all agree on something? Not the best of choices, but Biden far outweighs Trump in any political sense.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well yeah, I don't think he has dementia either, yet. The UAW president was the lead interview with Jake Tapper today. That's the top story, union endorsement (while an important one) is just an an endorsement for the 367 people in this country who don't already have their minds made up.

The election is 10 months out. I doubt only 367 people are undecided.

I think a lot of people have gotten over the GOP blaming the unions for the high price of everything. It's about time for the anti-union sentiment to swing the other way. We've had a couple of decades where unions were demonized. During that time large employers made excessive profits while the worker productivity has increased but their wages stagnated.

Those employers had the option of sharing the profits they benefitted from when worker productivity increased. But for the most part they chose to keep the profits without sharing them with the workers responsible for the increased productivity. Now it's going to come back to bite them. And this is one reason why Trump's con is of limited value. Four years was enough for him to show his colors. And they won't be that difficult to campaign against.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

There is nothing to counter.

You say the polls are unreliable therefore Joe Biden will win.

If you think that's what I said then you didn't read my post.

Now, I know you say that people should not say negative things about Biden for fear of making people believe it, but it is going to be a far better bet to let people know that they should not be complacent. Trump could certainly win if Democratic voters don't go out in droves, and you shouldn't be pushing overly optimistic claims.

That's not what I said either. I said people should stop repeating the GOP narrative that Biden is too old and he's senile because he isn't either of those. I'm not pushing overly optimistic claims, you aren't paying attention.

As for the rest of your paragraph, Biden is going to be the nominee. I'm not sure what anyone supporting the Democratic Party and still calling him too old expects to gain. There isn't going to be a different nominee.

 

[PitPat]

If you think that's what I said then you didn't read my post.


That's not what I said either. I said people should stop repeating the GOP narrative that Biden is too old and he's senile because he isn't either of those. I'm not pushing overly optimistic claims, you aren't paying attention.

As for the rest of your paragraph, Biden is going to be the nominee. I'm not sure what anyone supporting the Democratic Party and still calling him too old expects to gain. There isn't going to be a different nominee.

I'm not sure how that was ever even a question unless he hinted at it. He's not LBJ.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, I guess you have got us all talking about Biden being old and floating the question of dementia.

We literally weren't saying that until now, so you have put it on the agenda.

What a joke, no one was saying it until now?

I mean, I have no idea about whether he has dementia. He has always had something of a stutter, from what I understand, so some of his verbal gaffes and incoherence could be put down to that.

He clearly DOES NOT HAVE dementia. Of course we can conclude that.

But I think it is undeniable that he has less energy than most of us would like. The evidence for him being perfectly fine, seems to be a twenty minute speech read from a teleprompter. I mean, that's low-hanging fruit.

I'm not seeing any reason to reply to this.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Can we all agree on something? Not the best of choices, but Biden far outweighs Trump in any political sense.

Yes, absolutely.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not sure how that was ever even a question unless he hinted at it. He's not LBJ.

If it is clear Biden is the nominee, what is the point of going on and on about him being too old? I'm not saying you specifically have been going on and on but it seems to be a common theme in the 2024 election and related election threads.

 

[Delvo]

Having a goal to achieve by saying something, as a pre-requisite to saying it at all? What a doopy notion... what goal do you think that's supposed to achieve for you?