2012, the year Jesus returns?!

MikeSun5 said:
No, but I went to see Mayan ruins in Mexico a month and a half ago... the Mayan tour guide we had pointed out a few carvings of a light skinned bearded man that looked out of place at the ball courts in Chichen Itza (dead center of this pic - other carvings were in color), and then we saw extremely rare Mayan statues depicting two winged "angels" at Ek Balam.

The Mayan tour guide never said anything about Jesus, but there were large tour groups of Mormons at each of those places. I wish I was making that up, but I'm not. I'm sure Mormons have been grasping at those Mexican straws since they were discovered. :rolleyes:
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Ha! I know exactly what you're talking about. Apparently the Mayans who met the man in the carving expected him to return in their lifetime, but he did not. The story was passed down through the generations with only the carving left as a record. When Cortes arrived they thought it was him and welcomed him in only to find out that they were mistaken as he enslaved their people and conquered the city. As you mentioned it was the Christians who visited the ruins and drew the conclusion that the man in the carving was Jesus.
 
If they can find Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich, they can find him in an ancient carving. There are plenty of people who believe there's a carving of an alien at the Mayan ruins too. Believers will equate anything they're uncertain of to a whatever beliefs they follow as evidence of that belief.
 
That carving of "Jesus" looks more like an Egyptian Pharaoh to me.
 
As I keep saying, the Mayans predicted exactly _nothing_ for 2012. Nada. Zilch. Nil. Not with Jesus, not without Jesus, not with their own gods, nothing.

The 2012 date isn't based on any known Mayan prophecy, but is merely when the current baktun ends and a new one starts. The 13'th baktun ends, the 14'th begins.

A baktun is like a mayan century. Because we're base 10, we arbitrarily divide the time in decades (10 years) and centuries (10x10 years) and millenia (10x10x10 years).

The Mayans used base 20. (They counted on toes too.) So they divided the time arbitrarily into katun (20 years), baktun (20x20 years), and well, there would also be piktun (20x20x20 years) but we're not that far yet. In 2012 we'll only be up to 13x20x20 years, which is some 2800 years short of a proper piktun rollover.

Basically even as millenialism goes, this is bloody stupid. It's not even the mayan equivalent of going from year 999 to year 1000, it's the equivalent of, say, going from year 699 AD to 700 AD.

I mean, a whole millenium or piktun at least has a certain something. Sure, it still doesn't mean something, but it sounds like a big round number. But going nuts over reaching 70% of a piktun is pretty dumb.

And it's based upon a pretty bad calendar. The Long Count year is 360 days, so it misses the mark by a lot. Even the Mayans later replaced it with the Haab calendar, with 365 day years. Which finally put their timekeeping skills on par with Egypt circa 3000 BC. Whop-de-do.

Also note that if I was to accept that the Mayans had teh l33t wisdom and astronomical skills and were that good at prophecy... it gets even dumber. Because they didn't actually have a prophecy for this date. And when they do have prophecies, they go millions or indeed billions of years into the future. So what sense would those make, if they had predicted the end of the world in 2012.

It's like predicting to someone, "you'll win big at the lottery in 2030... but too bad you're going to die in 2010".
 
And that goes for the alien connection too, btw. Any advanced alien civilization who gives the locals first a 260 day year, then a 360 one, and only later they discover on their own how to pad it to an even remotely useful 365 day calendar... well, those aliens have _got_ to be taking the piss.
 
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HansMustermann said:
And that goes for the alien connection too, btw. Any advanced alien civilization who gives the locals first a 260 day year, then a 360 one, and only later they discover on their own how to pad it to an even remotely useful 365 day calendar... well, those aliens have _got_ to be taking the piss.
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"A teaser? Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets which haven't made interstellar contact yet and buzz them."

"Buzz them?" Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life difficult for him.

"Yeah", said Ford, "they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor soul whom no one's ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennae on their heads and making beep beep noises. Rather childish really." - Douglas Adams
 
dudalb said:
Being a good Protestent Fundy, I doubt Van Impe would have much to do with the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiate.
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I disagree.

He has the ability to transform thin air into speculative ********.
 
Eyeron said:
Actually it can't be Jesus. Because it will be the Anti-christ first. The first "messiah" is the anti-christ, and after he's taken over the world then and only then will Jesus come and slay the troglodyte.

Is the flaw in that argument.
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Oh come on. Everyone knows that Obama is the antichrist.
 
I think that 30% think he's the messiah, 30% think he's the anti-christ, and the rest think he's a normal politician and don't think much of such nonsense :)
 
HansMustermann said:
And that goes for the alien connection too, btw. Any advanced alien civilization who gives the locals first a 260 day year, then a 360 one, and only later they discover on their own how to pad it to an even remotely useful 365 day calendar... well, those aliens have _got_ to be taking the piss.
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:D I've always said that if martians had really built the pyramids in Egypt, they would have done a way better job... and they would have probably used metal or fiberglass or something. :rolleyes:
 
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