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2000 Mules

Regarding the number of "counties" Biden won, USA Today had this to say, back in December 2020.
Ultimately, the fact that Biden and Obama were victorious in a relatively small number of counties is not relevant to their popular vote numbers. That's because there is an incredible amount of variance in county population size, per a report by the U.S. Census Bureau...The same 2017 report by the U.S. Census Bureau found that more than half of the U.S. population lives in just 143 counties, or 4.3% of all counties. USA Today link
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More than HALF the US population resides in 4.3% of US counties. I didn't know that. But more to the point, this thread is about the movie 2000 Mules. But a trumper drags in the number of counties Biden won, in an effort to 'prove' trump actually won the 2020 election.

I haven't seen this level of self-delusion since I used to follow the 911 Truth threads. This is Thermite all over again! ;)
 

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Those horses are already out of the barn. The only way I don't see the 2024 presidential election being the center of a legitimacy crisis thanks to Republicans disregarding electoral results is if their candidate happens to win it fairly.

This is very much a cash-grab for D'Souza than anything else. In that way, it's quite well done because while making grand claims about vote rigging conspiracies, it smartly avoids naming any individuals or groups in any kind of defamatory way. They won't be ending up in shambles like those that smeared Dominion.
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And what do you propose to do about it except whine?
 
Here's some amusement. Arizona AG Mark Brnovich has asked the feds to investigate True the Vote, the people behind 2000 Mules.

Grigsby urged the federal agencies to pursue the group after what it described as multiple suspicious interactions with leaders Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips. Grigsby said the pair met with state investigators three times since early 2021 and promised to provide data it said would prove widespread fraud in the 2020 election — but the evidence never arrived.
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Excuses piled up, and at one point they even declined to provide the info because they claimed to be working with the FBI:

In his most recent meeting with the group on June 1, Grigsby said Engelbrecht and Phillips indicated they had shared all their data with the FBI and were working with the bureau as informants. But he said the FBI’s Phoenix field office quickly confirmed this to be false and said the group had, in turn, told FBI agents to contact Brnovich’s office to obtain their data.
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What I find encouraging is, the Arizona Attorney General who is requesting both the FBI and the IRS investigate the True the Vote group, is a Republican. Hopefully people with some sense of of honor and decency can begin to rein in some of the really lousy characters who've come out of the woodwork in recent years. True The Vote would be a good place to start.
 
newyorkguy said:
What I find encouraging is, the Arizona Attorney General who is requesting both the FBI and the IRS investigate the True the Vote group, is a Republican. Hopefully people with some sense of of honor and decency can begin to rein in some of the really lousy characters who've come out of the woodwork in recent years. True The Vote would be a good place to start.
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Brnovich is an establishment Republican good guy, unfortunately headed out the door. He tried to run for Senate but got steamrolled by clown car candidate Blake Masters. He would probably be beating space cadet Mark Kelly handily by now; as it is Masters is still in striking distance.

Unfortunately, the new GOP looks headed for victory in the statewide offices, with Katie Hobbs clearly underperforming at the top of the ticket for the Democrats. If they can't win the governor's seat, I don't see how they get secretary of state or AG and all three of those could turn out to be important in terms of certifying Arizona's EC votes.

Hobbs has refused to debate Republican opponent Kari Lake, ostensibly on the grounds that Lake is a CT nut. That last part is true, but the real reason Hobbs won't debate is that Lake is a sophisticated media personality with oodles of charisma and thousands of hours in front of TV cameras while Hobbs is frumpy and boring. She appears to have decided to try to sit out the clock like Biden in 2020, but the winds were at Joe's back while Katie is trying to ride a beach cruiser into a gale.
 
Reginald Grigsby, an investigator with Brnovich’s office, described a series of questionable interactions with the group’s leaders and suggested there may be evidence of financial improprieties if the agencies pursued them.
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I think they are dishonest hucksters but "there may be evidence of financial improprieties if the agencies pursued them" sounds a bit vague. Also, there's a link in the bit I quoted there but it doesn't seem to work. (From the URL it appears to go the the Arizona AG's website, but the link timed out on me). So it's not clear what exactly "a series of questionable interactions with the group’s leaders" refers to.
 
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Hobbs has refused to debate Republican opponent Kari Lake, ostensibly on the grounds that Lake is a CT nut. That last part is true, but the real reason Hobbs won't debate is that Lake is a sophisticated media personality with oodles of charisma and thousands of hours in front of TV cameras while Hobbs is frumpy and boring. She appears to have decided to try to sit out the clock like Biden in 2020, but the winds were at Joe's back while Katie is trying to ride a beach cruiser into a gale.
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Hobbs is not an exciting personality. But Lake says crazy stuff and doubles down when she's called out. She was on a CNN interview Sunday where she kept spouting her election fraud even as the moderator played clips from people like AG Barr saying it's a lie. Then she demanded that "we talk about the real issues!" If they debated, it would come down to an hour of Hobbs saying "That's not true!" and Lake saying "You're just part of the conspiracy!" It's tragic that integrity and competence aren't enough to get somebody elected.
 
Debates are useless. The most glib and entertaining person wins.

In some cases it's even worse -- someone who doesn't deserve a platform at all is treated as an equal.
 
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eerok said:
Debates are useless. The most glib and entertaining person wins.

In some cases it's even worse -- someone who doesn't deserve a platform at all is treated as an equal.
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You should carve this on monolithic stones for posterity.
 
Lake is such an extremist nut job that a debate would be a waste of time as it wouldn't change anyone's mind. Is there really anyone who is on the fence between voting for a Democrat and a full blown, Big Lie-promoting, "I'm so far up Trump's ass that I can't see daylight" Republican? I don't think so.
 
Stacyhs said:
Lake is such an extremist nut job that a debate would be a waste of time as it wouldn't change anyone's mind. Is there really anyone who is on the fence between voting for a Democrat and a full blown, Big Lie-promoting, "I'm so far up Trump's ass that I can't see daylight" Republican? I don't think so.
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I wish it was that clear-cut. A rational voter might still believe that a lunatic could do more than the opponent about whatever issues are most important to him: inflation, crime, border security, etc., especially if they don't have a lot of facts about their issues. I suspect a lot of voters are going to blame the Dems for the impact of inflation, despite all the explanations of how it's a global phenomenon that the White House can't control.
 
Bob001 said:
I wish it was that clear-cut. A rational voter might still believe that a lunatic could do more than the opponent about whatever issues are most important to him: inflation, crime, border security, etc., especially if they don't have a lot of facts about their issues. I suspect a lot of voters are going to blame the Dems for the impact of inflation, despite all the explanations of how it's a global phenomenon that the White House can't control.
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True...but that doesn't negate my point. A debate would not change that person's mind because, if those are their priority reasons for voting, they're going to vote for Lake because those are her GOP talking points.
 
Stacyhs said:
...A debate would not change that person's mind...
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A debate wouldn't even be in the running. :(

In the Bill Maher 'Hershel Walker' video posted here (in the Hershel Walker thread) Maher talks about what drives the Republican voter. The ones who still say trump did a 'great job,' that Biden 'stole the 2020 election.' That support morons like trump, emptyg, bobo, Walker and now Kari Lake. How a piece-of-garbage film like "2000 Mules" can be taken seriously. Maher asks, how in a nation that's supposed to be fairly sophisticated can a large number of Americans (Republicans) think in this way? Maher then answers his own question and while I think there's a lot more to it, it seemed to me to be a pretty good answer.
“Part of the appeal of a Herschel Walker or a Donald Trump or any number of egregious a–holes Republicans have backed is, in their mind, the worse a candidate is, the more it says to Democrats, ‘Do you see how much we don’t like what you are selling? All that socialism and identity politics and victimhood and oversensitivity and cancel culture and white self-loathing and forcing complicated ideas about race and sex on kids too young to understand it. Literally anything would be better than that.’ That’s their view.”
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newyorkguy said:
A debate wouldn't even be in the running. :(

In the Bill Maher 'Hershel Walker' video posted here (in the Hershel Walker thread) Maher talks about what drives the Republican voter. The ones who still say trump did a 'great job,' that Biden 'stole the 2020 election.' That support morons like trump, emptyg, bobo, Walker and now Kari Lake. How a piece-of-garbage film like "2000 Mules" can be taken seriously. Maher asks, how in a nation that's supposed to be fairly sophisticated can a large number of Americans (Republicans) think in this way? Maher then answers his own question and while I think there's a lot more to it, it seemed to me to be a pretty good answer.

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“Part of the appeal of a Herschel Walker or a Donald Trump or any number of egregious a–holes Republicans have backed is, in their mind, the worse a candidate is, the more it says to Democrats, ‘Do you see how much we don’t like what you are selling? All that socialism and identity politics and victimhood and oversensitivity and cancel culture and white self-loathing and forcing complicated ideas about race and sex on kids too young to understand it. Literally anything would be better than that.’ That’s their view.”
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But why the worst candidates? Because they're willing to cut off their noses to spite their Democrats, to mangle a saying. It's childish, petty and stupid beyond belief. If they don't like Dem policies, don't vote for a Dem, but at least vote for Republicans who aren't going to continue to undermine the very foundations of our democracy. They're willing to tear down the house when all that it needed is a new roof.
 
Stacyhs said:
But why the worst candidates? Because they're willing to cut off their noses to spite their Democrats, to mangle a saying. It's childish, petty and stupid beyond belief. If they don't like Dem policies, don't vote for a Dem, but at least vote for Republicans who aren't going to continue to undermine the very foundations of our democracy. They're willing to tear down the house when all that it needed is a new roof doormat.
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Even simpler.
 
Here's a question. When I went to high school there were mandatory courses called things like Civics or Our Democracy or something that were about how government works, not in a partisan way but about the levels and branches of government, how officials are chosen and their responsibilities, how laws are made and changed, etc. They might have included practical exercises, like writing to the mayor or a congressman. Do kids take classes like that today? In listening to how Trumpers' describe their world view, and some non-Trumpers too, it sounds like many don't actually understand what government is for.
 
Bob001 said:
Here's a question. When I went to high school there were mandatory courses called things like Civics or Our Democracy or something that were about how government works, not in a partisan way but about the levels and branches of government, how officials are chosen and their responsibilities, how laws are made and changed, etc. They might have included practical exercises, like writing to the mayor or a congressman. Do kids take classes like that today? In listening to how Trumpers' describe their world view, and some non-Trumpers too, it sounds like many don't actually understand what government is for.
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Many of the grassroots types seem to be people who may not have spent much time in school or were largely home schooled. Or maybe even if they did, they didn't pay attention and let stuff like football help them coast through. Perhaps I am indulging in cliche.
The more educated ones are merely feigning empathy to wangle positions of power among the "salt of the Earth".
 
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