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2000 Mules

"Mules" or whatever. Doesn't the US election system have various safe-guards in place to prevent or remedy tricks like this?

If yes, then why was nothing (nothing significant) found during the numerous audits?

If no, it is an unfalsifiable claim. AND the US election system is in urgent need of a serious revision.

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eerok said:
I gave it 1/10 on IMDB, which means I couldn't bear to watch very much of it before I began to question how I was spending my life. It's pure crapola, and not even darkly entertaining ... much like a Mike Lindell event.
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At least at a Magic Pillow the Gathering event, you have a chance of that dude going a violent rampage.
 
I went back and watched the rest of this abomination, and I was struck by a few observations.

  • Why couldn't these alleged mules be stuffing ballots for Trump? The cell phone data certainly isn't specific about this.
  • We've all heard of the case where some dufus gets nailed for casting an extra vote for his mother. How do tens or hundreds of thousands of ballots get stuffed in drop boxes illegally without being noticed?
  • If the video evidence they have is actually what they claim, why don't they hand it over to the authorities? (My understanding is that they have, and it's been debunked.)
  • They purport to have "whistleblowers" who confess to stuffing ballot boxes for money. Again, why aren't these cases pursued, since this is a serious felony?

There are a lot of other obvious problems as well, and the answer to most of these questions is that 2000 Mules is nothing more than a propaganda narrative. It's a whole lot of speculation and innuendo, and not much else. Certainly it will reinforce the beliefs of those who already believe The Big Lie, but this is the golden age of BS and "alternative facts."

Despite the big claims, True the Vote has yet to provide evidence sufficient for a charge to be laid. I guess it's all a conspiracy, and everyone is in on it.
 
Yes, 81 million + people conspired to remove Donal Trump from office. It's an odious and duplicitous plot known as "democracy".
 
eerok said:
I went back and watched the rest of this abomination, and I was struck by a few observations.

  • Why couldn't these alleged mules be stuffing ballots for Trump? The cell phone data certainly isn't specific about this.
  • We've all heard of the case where some dufus gets nailed for casting an extra vote for his mother. How do tens or hundreds of thousands of ballots get stuffed in drop boxes illegally without being noticed?
  • If the video evidence they have is actually what they claim, why don't they hand it over to the authorities? (My understanding is that they have, and it's been debunked.)
  • They purport to have "whistleblowers" who confess to stuffing ballot boxes for money. Again, why aren't these cases pursued, since this is a serious felony?

There are a lot of other obvious problems as well, and the answer to most of these questions is that 2000 Mules is nothing more than a propaganda narrative. It's a whole lot of speculation and innuendo, and not much else. Certainly it will reinforce the beliefs of those who already believe The Big Lie, but this is the golden age of BS and "alternative facts."

Despite the big claims, True the Vote has yet to provide evidence sufficient for a charge to be laid. I guess it's all a conspiracy, and everyone is in on it.
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Do they show someone admitting to ballot stuffing?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Even the hidden ones....what are they specifically saying they did?
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That they were asked to drop off ballots at boxes where no cameras were present. that all elections are fixed, and that the masterminds know who will win before the election takes place.
 
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Newsmax canceled an interview with D'Souza and he's flipped out about it.
 
eerok said:
That they were asked to drop off ballots at boxes where no cameras were present. that all elections are fixed, and that the masterminds know who will win before the election takes place.
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Is there first thing even illegal?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Is there first thing even illegal?
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Is dropping off ballots in a location where there are no cameras illegal? I can't think of anything illegal about it other than the word "ballots". An individual can drop their ballot off at a drop box whenever or wherever there is a box, camera or not. Several states have limits to dropping off other peoples' ballots, however. So it would depend on what your definition of "illegal".
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy theories subsection?
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Not really. The show has been released, it has the claims that are mentioned, and the claims are directly associated with the 2020 election in the United States. I could see how it could be moved to the CT section, but I don't see any reason why it can't be here either.
 
plague311 said:
Is dropping off ballots in a location where there are no cameras illegal? I can't think of anything illegal about it other than the word "ballots". An individual can drop their ballot off at a drop box whenever or wherever there is a box, camera or not. Several states have limits to dropping off other peoples' ballots, however. So it would depend on what your definition of "illegal".
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I should've mentioned that the alleged activity was claimed to involve hundreds of ballots deposited by a single person. Still, their interview with this person was conspicuously short on specifics, and the ballots themselves were clearly not fake, since there are safeguards against that.

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Also they didn't explain why, if someone could be paid to illegally deposit ballots, someone couldn't be paid to lie about doing so.
 
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Donal said:
Newsmax canceled an interview with D'Souza and he's flipped out about it.
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Odd. I mean, after all, the film did premiere at Mar-a-Lago last week and trump loved it!

Wednesday night, a “star-studded” premiere screening of the movie was held at Trump’s Palm Beach home Mar-a-Lago, and a great number of renowned conspiracy theorists were in attendance and posted photos of themselves on social media. Trump appeared to speak before the screening of the movie, which was attended by the likes of Matt Gaetz, Michael Flynn, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jenna Ellis, Bernard Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, Lara Logan, Kyle Rittenhouse, Andrew Giuliani, Dan Bongino, Dave Rubin, and of course, D’Souza himself.

D’Souza was the toast of Trumpworld last week after he premiered the movie at Mar-a-Lago, insisting there were hundreds of thousands of illegal votes cast in 2020 due to Democratic ballot “mules.” Former President Donald Trump, who has repeatedly peddled “rigged election” lies unsurprisingly gushed that D’Souza had exposed the “great election fraud.” Mediaite link
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Some of the 'stars' that attended the premiere. Hollywood, eat your heart out!
 

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Damn. Now who do I believe?

OAN Finally Admits ‘No Widespread Voter Fraud’ After Settling Defamation Suit (thedailybeast.com)
The right-wing cable network One America News Network on Monday ran a pre-recorded 30-second segment acknowledging that there was “no widespread voter fraud” by Georgia election workers in the 2020 presidential election. The segment appears to be part of a recent settlement relating to a defamation lawsuit brought against the network by two such workers.
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eerok said:
I should've mentioned that the alleged activity was claimed to involve hundreds of ballots deposited by a single person. Still, their interview with this person was conspicuously short on specifics, and the ballots themselves were clearly not fake, since there are safeguards against that.

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Also they didn't explain why, if someone could be paid to illegally deposit ballots, someone couldn't be paid to lie about doing so.
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True the Vote is claiming their source can be seen in multiple videos stuffing ballots at multiple drop boxes.

Earlier you asked why they haven't turned over the video evidence and why there are no investigations. True the Vote said they turned their findings over to the FBI and the state of Georgia has had an open investigation based off of their evidence since January.
 
Bogative said:
True the Vote is claiming their source can be seen in multiple videos stuffing ballots at multiple drop boxes.
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Their source? I don't remember seeing that in the film.

There were a few videos of people with small handfuls of ballots that could've been for family members or disabled voters, which would be legal in Georgia. Delivering valid ballots for other people in any quantity is legal in several states as well -- the key point being that the ballots must be valid, and the system is designed to verify that. I don't know what states each of their videos is from.

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Earlier you asked why they haven't turned over the video evidence and why there are no investigations. True the Vote said they turned their findings over to the FBI and the state of Georgia has had an open investigation based off of their evidence since January.
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There was a parenthetical bit where I added that their videos were debunked, which I understand to be true.

Election investigators have reviewed several videos included in “2000 Mules” and found no illegal behavior, including a video that showed a Gwinnett County man inserting ballots into a drop box, according to the secretary of state’s office.

“We investigated, and the five ballots that he turned in were all for himself and his family members,” said Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger during a debate last week.
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True the Vote hasn’t cooperated with Georgia’s election investigations, refusing to disclose the names of people who allegedly harvested ballots. The State Election Board issued subpoenas on the organization last month to seek documents, recordings and names of individuals involved.

The organization also doesn’t explain how ballot harvesting could have occurred.

Every absentee ballot is assigned to the voter who requested it, and voters can only cast one ballot each.
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https://www.ajc.com/politics/what-2...harvesting-claims/FFMNUU56RVBRNOLZKWHUREQPEU/
 
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