10 Commandment scorecard

[a_unique_person]

A further disturbing belief is the notion that "magic words" can solve problems. Promote prayer, make people say the Pledge, post the Commandments, and somehow our problems will go away. It is amazing how much effort is put into trying to get people to utter or read "magic words," when saying them or reading them solves nothing.

That monument might have been responsible for the saving of 1000 lives.

 

[peptoabysmal]

I wonder how it would go over if someone put up a monument to the seven deadly sins? I can see all the right wing extremists now trying to tear it down, but it's protected by the human shields of the far left.

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Global Warming comes to mind - man's pride that he thinks he has such a huge impact on the Earth

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Taxing the rich.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Smoking has been forbidden in public places, now on to more important issues like SUV's

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Who was that president who confessed to lusting in his heart?Hint: he was attacked by a marine rabbit

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Sounds like the recent "peace marches", doesn't it?

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
It takes money to keep the bureaurocracy running.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
Welfare and other social assistance programs are a primary issue, no?

 

[Brown]

Part of the problem is that we're dealing with a religious Weltanachauung that is both bifurcated and zero-sum. A large part of it stems from the whole God/Satan dynamic and is summed up in one verse.

Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

And very curiously, the book of Luke also quotes the same guy as saying:

Luke 9:50: For he that is not against us is for us. (See also Matt. 9:40)

This remark is still saying that there cannot be neutrality, but at least it does not presume that those who try to be neutral are doing evil.

Originally posted by a_unique_person
That monument might have been responsible for the saving of 1000 lives.

I don't know if that remark is offered here in earnest or in jest, but I am aware that there are some who sincerely believe that very thing. Namely, they believe that, as bad as things are, things get worse when there is a perceived insult to the Almighty. They believe that if the monument is dipslayed anywhere but the in the rotunda of the judicial building, God will be insulted and will petulantly withdraw His protection to teach us a lesson. Do not be surprised if a man-made or natural disaster is attributed to the events in Alabama.

 

[Brown]

I just came across this commentary by Bob Schieffer of CBS News. He makes a couple of good points. One of them is this:

Someone once said that any religion that needs the help of the state is not a very powerful religion. To suggest that these great religions, which have survived for thousands of years, somehow need or require the state government of Alabama to promote them is not only questionable, it borders on the blasphemous.

It appears to me that Schieffer is trying to appeal to the egos of the monument supporters, to suggest to them that maybe they ought to say, "We don't need no stinkin' monument on public property."

It is possible (indeed likely), however, that Schieffer's comments will be misconstrued. "What do you mean, my religion isn't powerful?" "What do you mean, I'm commiting blasphemy by being in favor of the monument?" In matters of this kind, some people are very quick to find offense, whether it is intended or not. I hope Schieffer doesn't mind getting hate mail. Chances are, he'll get a lot of it.

 

[Tricky]

Bentspoon,
I summarized your post in a "letter to the editor" of my local paper, which has been printing various letters about the issue. Sorry I couldn't give you credit, but I don't know who you are.

If they print it, I'll send you a link.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Bentspoon
By the way, Medved was being very refreshing and logical on the subject. He was harangued by his listeners but he stuck fast to his reasoning. He has great disdain for Moore and his politicising the issue for a possible gov run. He is the only RW talk show host that has mentioned that Moore snuck the monument in under the protest of his fellow judges. He is calling for Moore to resign because if he doesn't understand the rule of law and its opposite - anarchy then he has no business being a judge. Whether you agree with the decision or not you abide by it because it is the law. A judge should be showing that.

Then he would go on to mention that most Americans do not follow all these commands and mentioned that the 10 comm. statue itself would constitute a graven image. That god on our money constitutes using his name in vain. He asked his listeners over and over to define just exactly what rights of Moore's were abrogated emphasizing that none were or are being abrogated. Of course the American idiots kept calling in to say that he couldn't say god and Medved said nobody is stopping him from saying god. He can say it all he wants, in fact, he could take out a billboard at his expense and it would be seen by many more people and then he asked, "so would you want the goverment to pay for it? - the billboard - why not - what is the difference." He mentioned that Moore could put a cross up on his lawn.

He pointed out that everyone has a right to free speech but that certain civil positions should not do so under the guise of the office they hold. He would defend the right of a policeman to wear a cross on his neck but would he support allowing that cop to paint a cross on his police car - no!!. He has a responsibility not to carry free speech into this civil function.

He also tried to get people to empathize with the plight of Hindus and atheists and others who might come into this courtroom expecting a fair trial and being intimidated by this rock and Mr Moore.

Are you trying to tell me that Medved took time out from his usual rant that Hollywood is corrupting the morals of decent Americans?



Hasn't said anything worth a damn since 'The Golden Turkey Awards'. Or is that '50 worst movies of all time'? Whichever was the latter.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Can anyone name one - liberal radio talk show host?

Bentspoon

If you would prefer to hear the word "Bush" framed by terms such as "inner Mussolini" and "crime family", check out

http://www.mikemalloy.com/listen.html

 

[Upchurch]

Pardon the brief hijack.

Perform at Wash U campus? As what? Group? Performance Art? Break dancing troop? (the last one is not as far-fetched as you might think: I saw one perform there a few years ago)

Band Together, St. Louis's LGBT Community Band. Our next concert is Oct. 11 at the Webster Music School, admission is free.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[gnome]

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Global Warming comes to mind - man's pride that he thinks he has such a huge impact on the Earth

We are quite capable of having a huge impact on the Earth. Launch all of our nuclear weapons at each other and look what happens to the ecosystem. Man-made global warming may be debatable, but it can't be automatically discounted based on this argument, and has nothing to do with pride.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Taxing the rich.

Just about everyone pays taxes, including the rich. Of course, you mean the progressive tax rate. This is discussed in another thread and I think the intent can be safely divorced from envy. But that's just an opinion.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Smoking has been forbidden in public places, now on to more important issues like SUV's.

You lost me, on this one. What do these issues have to do with Gluttony?

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Who was that president who confessed to lusting in his heart?Hint: he was attacked by a marine rabbit

A characteristic that the right is immune to?

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Sounds like the recent "peace marches", doesn't it?

You've clearly shown how the left has a monopoly on this as well. Well done.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
It takes money to keep the bureaurocracy running.

As politicians on both sides know well.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
Welfare and other social assistance programs are a primary issue, no?

You've caught on to the leftist agenda to promote sloth! That's what we wanted all along.. oh, we are undone!

 

[subgenius]

Caught me. I'm a five-toed sloth.
Hey don't knock it, there's a big sloth-based constituency. Big money sloth special interests.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

For the record, Roy Moore will be profiled on the 700 Club tomorrow, Thr. 4 Sept. 2003. I wonder how Fair and Balanced the interview will be.

 

[Brown]

After reading this interview, it seems pretty clear that Roy Moore lives in some sort of alternate universe.

Originally, I was planning to quote the legal errors and incredibly stupid remarks, but I found that I would be quoting most of the damned interview.

Suffice it to say that, if Moore is right, he does not want to establish a theocracy. Rather, he merely wants everyone to know that we already live in a theocracy, in which God's laws are supreme. The First Amendment, Moore says, was based upon the commandment: "I am Lord thy God." (Many Christians do not consider this to be a commandment at all, and Moore would be hard pressed to find one other judge, textbook or law professor who agrees with this outrageous remark.)

If a first year law student said this many stupid things publicly, the professor might take the student aside and privately suggest another field of study. Moore lacks a fundamental understanding of the separation of powers, the history and application of the First Amendment, and the nature of constitutional construction, among other things.

Even if we set aside Moore's deliberate refusal to follow the Federal order, there are very serious questions about whether he has the mental horsepower or the ethics to serve as a judge. He seems to be the kind of a judge that most lawyers hate: a stupid judge. A lot of lawyers don't care about a judge's politics, but it really angers them when the judge is such an idiot that he can't demonstrate an ability to grasp the simplest of legal principles.

 

[I'll_buy_that]

I read that interview and it just shows what a talking head Paula Zahn is. She seemed to have a list of questions written down; by her or others; that she stuck to. There were no reactions to the answers Moore gave.

I mean, he ended statements with "Without acknowledgement of God, we have no justice system, according to the Constitution."
and
"Actually, the organic law of our country establishes God as the basis for our justice system"

And there were no responses
just on to the next written down question. I just have to look good, not actually listen to my guest or even my own questions, blah blah blah

but, I'll say, thank god for the internet. otherwise I wouldn't know such words as Weltanachauung