Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

Animal said:
And who knows how many other cameras and cameramen were working around the city that morning that didn't get that shot or missed it. I believe that there was at least one other video that caught the 1st impact.....(someone with a video camera crossing one of the bridges I think)
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Yes, recorded by Pavel Hlava as he was waiting in line for the toll booth. There is also a series of shots made by a webcam of Wolfgang Staehle (linky).

Then there was also a news crew outside city hall, preparing to cover the mayoral elections. They filmed the sound of the crash.
 
fitzgibbon said:
French guy's shooting out onto street w/firefighter in frame. Fast, low-flying jet heard and reacted-to by firefighter.

Now here's the part Clayton wouldn't be familiar with. Cameraman's right eye is on viewfinder, left eye is open and free to notice what's going on outside the camera frame. Cameraman sees the movement of something approaching the WTC and he reacts, doing about a 120° left rotation just in time to catch impact in a wide shot, zooming in as the fireball billows.

To the Clayton Moores of the world, this couldn't possibly happen except that the cameraman was also 'in on it'. The Clayton Moores of the world see conspiracy regardless of whether common sense trumps

Fitz
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It is a bit tricky to get used to but, yes, keeping both eyes open while recording ENG does help. Hard part is learning to stay aware of what you are seeing in each eye.
Similarly, in live multi camera events, the producer/switcher needs to be aware of what several cameras are seeing and select the best view to air.
Switching hockey broadcasting is a bee-eye-tch.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Perhaps you refer to the reality that sound travels slower than light? So that by the time the camera operator heard something happening it had already happened?

Or did you have something else in mind?
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I don't understand why he wants us to watch a video of a plane impacting the WTC to prove that a plane didn't impact the WTC.
 
jaydeehess said:
It is a bit tricky to get used to but, yes, keeping both eyes open while recording ENG does help. Hard part is learning to stay aware of what you are seeing in each eye.
Similarly, in live multi camera events, the producer/switcher needs to be aware of what several cameras are seeing and select the best view to air.
Switching hockey broadcasting is a bee-eye-tch.
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I'm from France and I hear a plane and somehow pan right to the towers?

Why would a foreigner think hearing a plane in a huge metropolitan city is odd?
 
It's strange that CM has been here for some time and is apparently unaware of the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity.
 
beachnut said:
No Understanding of Physics = Crazy claims and silly lies like No Planes

E=mgh was released. I looked it up, the Black Boxes were not designed for the magnitude of E found in the WTC. Should use science instead of making up silly lies based on nonsense. Better luck with Bigfoot. You will find you can recycle all your evidence. Saves on making up more woo.

No planes? The planes were seen, DNA was found from people on the planes, and RADAR tracked 11 and 175 to the WTC impacts. You lost the no plane contest before you dreamed up the fantasy.
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The nonsense science of E=mgh makes FOUR black boxes disappear in the middle of New York City, New York 10048.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm from France and I hear a plane and somehow pan right to the towers?

Why would a foreigner think hearing a plane in a huge metropolitan city is odd?
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How often do airliners perform low, high speed passes over French cities? I can't recall any in my limited experience.

It's certainly unusual to have a large plane pass low overhead in a large city unless you are right under a flight path, in which case you would be expecting it as planes would have been coming over every minute or two. More unusual still if it's below 1,000 feet and travelling much faster than usual for an plane at that height (i.e. a plane about to land at an airport). That would be a very exceptional, very loud and very obvious thing to hear whether you're in a city or not. And if the person you are filming turns to stare at whatever is making that most unusual noise, you might very well follow your interviewee's gaze and do exactly the same thing yourself.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The nonsense science of E=mgh makes FOUR black boxes disappear in the middle of New York City, New York 10048.
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Really... even if you don't count the impact and subsequent fire, being sandwiched between floors when the buildings collapsed would probably do the trick. Either that, or they started making those things out of adamantium :eye-poppi.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm from France and I hear a plane and somehow pan right to the towers?
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Actually, Clayton, he panned LEFT to the towers. You know how those French are. :biggrin:

Clayton Moore said:
Why would a foreigner think hearing a plane in a huge metropolitan city is odd?
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Um, because it's coming in screamingly low in a location where skyscrapers are ubiquitous and there's no airport? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Megalodon said:
Really... even if you don't count the impact and subsequent fire, being sandwiched between floors when the buildings collapsed would probably do the trick. Either that, or they started making those things out of adamantium :eye-poppi.
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ahhahaha That hot office fire?

No matter what at least the smashed up black boxes should have been found.
 
Redwood said:
Actually, Clayton, he panned LEFT to the towers. You know how those French are. :biggrin:


Um, because it's coming in screamingly low in a location where skyscrapers are ubiquitous and there's no airport? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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right = directly


The officer in the picture hardly reacted. The fireman didn't seem too concerned either.

Plus it seemed odd that they had just stopped what they were doing.
 
Clayton Moore said:
right = directly


The officer in the picture hardly reacted. The fireman didn't seem too concerned either.

Plus it seemed odd that they had just stopped what they were doing.
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You mean the people visible in the footage that all look around for the source of the noise and shout "holy ****" when the plane impacts? That sort of unconcerned and hardly reacted?
 
Clayton Moore said:
right = directly


The officer in the picture hardly reacted. The fireman didn't seem too concerned either.

Plus it seemed odd that they had just stopped what they were doing.
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Yes, Clayton, everyone in the world was in on it apart from a handful of twoofers. Can your arguments get any more ridiculous? Watch this space folks.
 
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