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"Magic" Tai Chi Powers

Stigweard

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Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??

I can't post urls (less than 15 posts), but if you searched on youtube:

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 2 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 3 of 3

If so I have a protocol written up that I would like reviewed.

Warm Regards

Stuart :)
 
If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.
Acrobats, dancers, sword swallowers, contortionists, Olympic athletes for example.

Muddying the waters are the many thousands of Tai Chi 'experts'...

Many don't put in the bodywork and substitute chicanery to create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they spend a lot of time convincing themselves that their qi breathing and mystical visualizations and 'energy work' is the real thing... and create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they actually can do the real thing, but for whatever reason, don't let their students have it.

A protocol to weed out the 'illusionists' would be straightforward enough. :D

And the people doing it with their bodies, aren't doing anything paranormal... just unusual.
 
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I watched part 3 and saw no indication of anything paranormal going on, or even being claimed. The guy says it's an application of the power of the human body that anyone can learn, though he uses rather woo-ish terms to say it.
 
I'm interested in the protocol, I guess, but I don't even understand what the claim is. Why don't we start there? It's hard to evaluate a protocol without knowing what is being tested.

Ward
 
Stigweard said:
Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??

I can't post urls (less than 15 posts), but if you searched on youtube:

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 2 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 3 of 3

If so I have a protocol written up that I would like reviewed.

Warm Regards

Stuart :)
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Please say that you are kidding. That is the most fake crap I've seen... and I've see a fair bit of fake crap.

Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

All the same, welcome to the forum. :)
 
Jim_MDP said:
Please say that you are kidding. That is the most fake crap I've seen... and I've see a fair bit of fake crap.

Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

All the same, welcome to the forum. :)
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Since it is fake, why do you have a problem with the OP wanting to submit a protocol?
 
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Stigweard said:
Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??
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I guess it would, but you're using physical force. So I can't see anyone giving you the million for that.

You've got a neat physical skill and a party trick or two to do with it but I don't see anything remotely supernatural.
 
crimresearch said:
Since it is fake, why do you have a problem with the OP wanting to submit a protocol?
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I just said it looked terribly fake.

But upthread you posted...


crimresearch said:
If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.

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Please stop, the stupid... it burns.

If you have a vid url in mind (beyond the op and the crap you mentioned), please... impress us.

Really.


ETA: Don't make me invoke Bullshido! :D
 
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Jim_MDP said:
I just said it looked terribly fake.

But upthread you posted...





Please stop, the stupid... it burns.

If you have a vid url in mind (beyond the op and the crap you mentioned), please... impress us.

Really.


ETA: Don't make me invoke Bullshido! :D
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If you think that Olympic athletes, contortionists , etc. are all 'lots of crap', I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

If you feel that no one can practice enough to develop strength and skills allowing them push another person around, that's fine with me too.

If you are simply taking my post, where I went through the list of fakery, so that you can snip words, add words, and build a strawman that I believe in fakery, you're wasting your time.
 
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You said these things...

crimresearch said:
If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.
Acrobats, dancers, sword swallowers, contortionists, Olympic athletes for example.

Muddying the waters are the many thousands of Tai Chi 'experts'...

Many don't put in the bodywork and substitute chicanery to create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they spend a lot of time convincing themselves that their qi breathing and mystical visualizations and 'energy work' is the real thing... and create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they actually can do the real thing, but for whatever reason, don't let their students have it.

A protocol to weed out the 'illusionists' would be straightforward enough. :D

And the people doing it with their bodies, aren't doing anything paranormal... just unusual.
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The bolded parts make it appear, to me, that you believe the possibility of the vids listed. My apologies for mis understanding your post.

PLEASE, PLEASE... tell me I mis-understood you.
 
Jim_MDP said:
You said these things...




The bolded parts make it appear, to me, that you believe the possibility of the vids listed. My apologies for mis understanding your post.

PLEASE, PLEASE... tell me I mis-understood you.
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I hope you did indeeed misunderstand.

The OP said no physical contact, and protocol... as in suggesting that there was some paranormal phenomenon at work.

I posted the video so we could all see that there was in fact real physical contact... to dispel the notion that this was the 'empty force' woo so popular in some martial arts circles.

As others have pointed out, this is some dude who has learned how to put all his body weight into a specific point and do 'parlor tricks' with it. Nothing more nothing less.

Call it showbiz, call it whatever you want... it is simply physics. Some people practice doing 2 fingered handstands, others practice being hit in the stomach... still just physics dressed to impress.
 
Watched VID 3, I can do this and have. In fact I have held 15 students from pushing me over all at once. It is a simple trick that anyone can master in about a half hour, No Chi, No powers, just physics.

I always volunteer for demonstrations similiar to this when I can, the demonstrators generally hate me. The last one I was at had a gentleman claimed he could throw anyone to the ground regardless of size or strength. he couldn't.

I can't imagine a protocol that would reveal anything paranormal, but would like to see the effort just the same.
 
In the OP:

Stigweard said:
Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" <snip>

Warm Regards

Stuart :)
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It's the bolded part crim.

crimresearch said:
I hope you did indeeed misunderstand.

The OP said no physical contact, and protocol... as in suggesting that there was some paranormal phenomenon at work.

As others have pointed out, this is some dude who has learned how to put all his body weight into a specific point and do 'parlor tricks' with it. Nothing more nothing less.
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He says force, not contact.

Lanzy said:
Watched VID 3, I can do this and have. In fact I have held 15 students from pushing me over all at once. It is a simple trick that anyone can master in about a half hour, No Chi, No powers, just physics.
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I'm not talking about holding off someone using balance. I'm calling BS on the throwing someone off by flexing your muscles. That's the fake aspect and what was brought up in the OP.

Got it now?
 
Jim_MDP said:
In the OP:



It's the bolded part crim.



He says force, not contact.



I'm not talking about holding off someone using balance. I'm calling BS on the throwing someone off by flexing your muscles. That's the fake aspect and what was brought up in the OP.

Got it now?
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Yes... I've got it... you had a chance to have a rational discussion, and chose to fling straw instead..
 
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What are you not getting?

You're speaking to the ability to, through strength and balance, hold back someone or someones, correct. No problem here, not para at all, just takes practice, knowledge and talent. A little strength wouldn't hurt either. That's what your talking about, along with Lanzy, correct?


Please for the love of FSM, tell me you are NOT saying that those three vids in any way represented anything passably real as regards the idea that by just flexing, the instructor was able to throw or push the student back on his heels, hopping away.
 
Again... not the kinesiology of holding off the larger guy pushing against the instructor.

The BS is EVERY time the instructor says some crap about repelling him with his chi powers, and the big guy just hops back like he was pushed. Thats staged six ways from Sunday.
 
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