Conservatives? What did Reverend Wright say that was so wrong?

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Here is the video of the famous "God Damn America" speech...



I have yet to figure out where he said anything wrong. Yet it was BIG NEWS back in 2008 and there are those here who like to bring this NON-ISSUE up again and again!!

And American media, especially Fox News, likes to refer back to this time and again!

So maybe conservatives here can enlighten me.

What did Reverend Wright say that was so wrong?

Thank you.

DC
 
From what I can gather, his fault was blaming 9/11 on our country's history of tolerating slavery, segregation, and civil rights abuses, whereas he should have blamed it on our toleration of gays and feminists like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. In other words, he was only crazy, rather than crazy *and* evil.
 
Wait, do you mean only in that video, or is the set of data everything Wright's said in public?
 
Although Rev Wright seems to have a problem explaining what he said, it seems he went on a rant about how slavery was an abomination of God and the government of the United States has yet to take responsibility for that time in it's history.

In other words, Rev Wright supports reparations?
 
I want to start a spin-off thread.

"Conservatives? Please show me evidence that what Rev. Wright said influenced Obama."

There was a line from a movie once, 'I went to a Bar Mitzvah once and that doesn't make me Jewish."

I've read translations of Hitler's speeches and it doesn't want to make me start rounding up Jews and invading Poland.

Point is, just because he might've heard it, or might have been there, does not result in influence.
 
dc1971 said:
What does it matter?
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Because the speech posted in the OP is not the totality of what he has said. Now I'm not a conservative (unless I'm arguing with someone on the left, then I'm a conservative for some reason), but I can think of some things that Wright has said that I certainly disagree with.

So is the purpose to discover if the speech from the OP being misconstrued or misused, or is the purpose to discover if the speeches and positions of Wright are being misconstrued or misused?
 
C_Felix said:
I want to start a spin-off thread.

"Conservatives? Please show me evidence that what Rev. Wright said influenced Obama."

There was a line from a movie once, 'I went to a Bar Mitzvah once and that doesn't make me Jewish."

I've read translations of Hitler's speeches and it doesn't want to make me start rounding up Jews and invading Poland.

Point is, just because he might've heard it, or might have been there, does not result in influence.
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But it was so terrible that he said that. It's anti-American, it's pro-Commie, and to tell you the truth this is the statement that led Obama to keep himself from ever posing in front of an American flag!

God Damn America!

There I said it!
 
tyr_13 said:
Because the speech posted in the OP is not the totality of what he has said. Now I'm not a conservative (unless I'm arguing with someone on the left, then I'm a conservative for some reason), but I can think of some things that Wright has said that I certainly disagree with.

So is the purpose to discover if the speech from the OP being misconstrued or misused, or is the purpose to discover if the speeches and positions of Wright are being misconstrued or misused?
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It really doesn't matter because what he said is so trivial and moot.
 
Well, if we're going to re-litigate this again, isn't it true that right wing evangelicals routinely state that disasters are god's wrath brought down upon American sinners? Isn't that "god damn America" as well?

Or is this yet another case in which right wingers can say the same thing as a left winger, but get a pass because "we all know what their intentions are"?
 
Unabogie said:
Well, if we're going to re-litigate this again, isn't it true that right wing evangelicals routinely state that disasters are god's wrath brought down upon American sinners? Isn't that "god damn America" as well?

Or is this yet another case in which right wingers can say the same thing as a left winger, but get a pass because "we all know what their intentions are"?
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Apparently, there is no such thing as "right wing evangelicals"!

That's a term liberals fabricated.
 
Black people aren't allowed to criticize America. Only true Americans like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell can condemn America and Americans.
 
Tony said:
Black people aren't allowed to criticize America. Only true Americans like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell can condemn America and Americans.
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Not just black people - people that work hard and laborious for their money can't be "biting the hand that feeds them"!!
 
C_Felix said:
I want to start a spin-off thread.

"Conservatives? Please show me evidence that what Rev. Wright said influenced Obama."

There was a line from a movie once, 'I went to a Bar Mitzvah once and that doesn't make me Jewish."

I've read translations of Hitler's speeches and it doesn't want to make me start rounding up Jews and invading Poland.

Point is, just because he might've heard it, or might have been there, does not result in influence.
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Everything Obama's admin has accomplished so far seems imo influenced by Wright's ideas.

see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy
 
A better question was whether Wright said anything as objectionable before the "God Damn America" speech. Even if you accept that as a problem, it is a plausible narrative (barring a solid "yes" to my question above) that Wright became increasingly radical and when he went that far, Obama severed his political ties.
 
I think Obama's first, unpopular response comparing Wright's odd beliefs with his grandmother's racism was spot on. But people acted all outraged and said he threw his grandmother under the bus.

I think Wright also had some AIDS or drug CTs as well.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I think Obama's first, unpopular response comparing Wright's odd beliefs with his grandmother's racism was spot on. But people acted all outraged and said he threw his grandmother under the bus.
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His grandmother's supposed racism was revealed in this incident, from Dreams:

I took her into the other room and asked her what had happened.

“A man asked me for money yesterday. While I was waiting for the bus.”

“That’s all?”

Her lips pursed with irritation. “He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn’t come, I think he might have hit me over the head.”

I returned to the kitchen. Gramps was rinsing his cup, his back turned to me. “Listen,” I said, “why don’t you just let me give her a ride. She seems pretty upset.”

“By a panhandler?”

“Yeah, I know — but it’s probably a little scary for her, seeing some big man block her way. It’s really no big deal.”

He turned around and I saw now that he was shaking. “It is a big deal. It’s a big deal to me. She’s been bothered by men before. You know why she’s so scared this time? I’ll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.” He whispered the word. “That’s the real reason why she’s bothered. And I just don’t think that’s right.”
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Black or white, if a panhandler doesn't back off and thank me after I've given him a dollar, I'd start to assume the worst, just like Grandma Dunham.
 
I'm not a conservative, but saying "God Damn America" in any context is going to be pretty controversial in America.

In Iran it would an uncontroversial thing to say.

Unabogie said:
Well, if we're going to re-litigate this again, isn't it true that right wing evangelicals routinely state that disasters are god's wrath brought down upon American sinners? Isn't that "god damn America" as well?

Or is this yet another case in which right wingers can say the same thing as a left winger, but get a pass because "we all know what their intentions are"?
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That's a good point. Yes, what they said is extremely vile. But a tu quoque argument doesn't excuse Wright for what he said. To say that Wright's words were no worse than Falwell's or Robertson's is to damn with faint praise.

JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..

JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged". In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God. ~~~

PAT ROBERTSON: > Amen
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Brainster said:
His grandmother's supposed racism was revealed in this incident, from Dreams:



Black or white, if a panhandler doesn't back off and thank me after I've given him a dollar, I'd start to assume the worst, just like Grandma Dunham.
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So that one day was the only time he spent with her, ever?
 
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