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Criticize my speech to OWS

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Here's a speech I wrote for my local OWS a week or so ago to try my best to explain the current economic crisis in the US. I was wondering if anyone cared to critique it, I realize that I am not the best writer and there may be a typo or grammatical error in there. I tried to keep it as simple to understand for the "everyman" as I could. I trust the opinions of the JREF and would love to hear some criticisms of this piece or arguments against it (especially if I've made any factual or mathematical errors).

I know it's tempting to stop reading after the taxation bit, but please, my main points are nearer the end. I know that using the word theft made a bunch of people just walk away)

Here goes!



Repeat after me: the United States government has no money. The United States government has no money. Everyone knows this now. But not many seem to realize that it never had any.

Whenever the government pays for something, such as the salaries of government employees, politicians, cops, firemen, road crews, contractors, the costs of war, etc, it only has two sources of income to pay for it. The first is borrowing money from other countries at interest through the sale of bonds, and the other is theft.

That's right, stealing.

I know, I know, this is where I lose all of the Stockholm Syndrome taxation survivors, but please hear me out on this point. The dictionary defines stealing as, "to take by force the property of another without permission". This is exactly what the government is doing when it tells you to hand over your money in the form of taxes or they will come after you. Make no mistake, when the government comes to collect, you will either pay or you will get a letter in the mail. Ignore that letter and don't pay the amount they ask for and you will be arrested. If you still don't pay, you will remain in jail for the rest of your life. If you try to defend yourself the same way that you would against a thief coming into your home you will most likely die in a battle with the police.

Government theft comes in two main forms: stealing from people directly through taxation and counterfeiting through printing currency. Counterfeiting steals from anyone that has money through inflation by decreasing the value of their money. If you have $100 with $200 in circulation and the Federal Reserve creates an additional $200, your money is now much less than it once was, and the government has in reality stolen $50 from you (and of course everyone else who has money). This is not semantics, this is mathematics.

Throughout the course of US history, the government has used the money they stole to bribe the public through social programs, subsidies, wars and infrastructure investment. At first, people didn't mind being robbed because they liked what they got back; in essence they were still being stolen from, but the thief gave them back schools, roads, police, environmental protections, etc etc. These socialized industries prevented competition (why build an alternative to a government road system when you are still forced to pay for the one they built?) and gradually the quality of the services provided declined. Inside the government operated schools, children were indoctrinated to believe that stealing from others to help those in need or to help the general collective was morally right. We know that this is bogus for at least two reasons, the first being that stealing and the initiation of force is wrong (we learn this in kindergarten) and empirically because we see that poor people are no better off and are now hated by their fellow man, their every action scrutinized to make sure that they are spending their stolen money in "the right way" (see: drug tests for welfare recipients).

Once we left the gold standard and switched from using an actual commodity based currency to a fiat currency based on nothing, practical fractional reserve banking became a reality. This meant that banks could lend out many times more money then they actually had, backed by the government counterfeiting trillions of dollars to pay for the loans. The best part is that since the government could print endless money, there was no need to raise taxes. The people celebrated as free social programs, subsidization and wars that nobody had to pay for increased in number. Programs like Social Security, which sign future generations up for paying for the current generation's retirement became wildly popular, if only because nobody had to pay for them… at the time.

With an infinite money supply at their fingertips, the government quickly became the biggest employer in the United States. Out of work? The government will pay you. Want to go to college? The government will pay for it. Want to fight a war or two? Create "jobs?" Add it to the government's tab. Military contracts. Police contracts. Free or heavily subsidized healthcare for everyone. Question mark-suited Matthew Lesko on television offering books on how to get free money from the government.

The only problem is, as I mentioned earlier, the government doesn't intrinsically have any money. All they have is the ability to steal or borrow, and with so much counterfeiting going on, the only countries that would buy our bonds want a big return on their investment.

By the mid 2000s, with multiple wars going on and having moved all of our factories overseas, there were simply not enough people making money left to steal from, primarily because it is either illegal for people to work (see: minimum wage) or simply because it is unprofitable to open a business (see: environmental, health and safety regulations), so instead of raising taxes on the people that are making money, which would of course never come close to actually bringing in enough money to keep the machine going, the government ran up huge deficits borrowing money from abroad and doing the usual counterfeiting of trillions of dollars, devaluing our currency through inflation. This was primarily to give the illusion that every service the government provided was free, or at the very least had a very small cost.

You may stop me at this point, and rightfully point out, "But we need the environmental, health and safety regulations! You are a heartless monster!", and that may be true. But when we passed those regulations, the violators just took their factories elsewhere, where the people of the US (probably including yourself) didn't care about the environment, or the health and safety of the workers, and you rewarded them through investments and buying their products, leaving the businesses here that had to pay to conform to the regulations to go out of business. So let's not fool ourselves, the regulations don't stop the problems, they just make us feel like we are doing something noble while we put the child labor, unsafe factories, environmental damage and pennies a day salary out of sight in a foreign country.

Since foreigners own so much of our debt, it was crucial to keep interest rates low. Even one percentage point could mean billions in extra money that we would have to pay back. The banks capitalized on this and borrowed money at little or no interest from the government. Combined with the mortgage money brought in by the housing bubble, the banks and their traders wagered it all in the derivatives and housing markets and lost hundreds of times what they invested. The government covered the losses of the banks through the bailouts, where it injected more stolen and counterfeit money into their balance sheets. This is where the Occupy Wall Street protesters get angry, because in their eyes, it was ok to steal money and to counterfeit as long as the money was going to something "productive". But now that the stolen money is being given directly to banks, that's something to be mad about, and I agree.

This brings us to where we are now. We pay over $500,000,000,000 in interest alone each year on our outstanding debt. We have trillions in counterfeit money and the United States and its major banks hold trillions in worthless assets. Unemployment is rising, and the world is starting to wonder about continuing to prop up the world's most indebted country. This is why a carefully chosen super committee of senators with extralegal powers can't come to a solution, because even ceasing all funding for the departments of Education, Transportation, Homeland Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc while ending our wars overseas are just a haircut off the top of what we owe.

People are starting to voice their complaints, now that their bribes are going away. The police have switched from solving expensive crimes like homicide and rape to ticketing, red light cameras, and arresting people for victimless crimes like drug use to save money. Only with a system like ours could a raped woman have to pay for the prosecution, trial and confinement (average 45K/year to jail someone) for her rapist. The cost of living is rising as jobs disappear and inflation continues.

I don't care how many people say they support the troops overseas. Once the military comes home from Iraq and Afghanistan the unemployment will hit double digits, there will be thousands of emotionally scarred and financially broke men and women who missed a decade of career growth. To top it off the military guarantees their health care and housing after they come back. Most states are way in the red as they exceed their budgets. Arizona has been forced to sell its state buildings to pay for the police and other basic government programs. The Federal Reserve has injected trillions of more counterfeit money into the system in the last year to try and spur growth through "quantitative easing", or "inflation" as it is known to economists. This money was mostly was stolen by banks, but even the small part that went to "help create jobs" was by all measures ineffective, especially looking at the long term. Any jobs created where the government pays the salary is unsustainable. Meanwhile the real effect has been the devaluation of the dollar. We are slowly discovering that it is simply not possibly to counterfeit or borrow your way out of debt, it's a contradiction in terms.

I can paraphrase many of my friends as saying, "I wish it could just go back to the way it was." This is naive and basically asking to go back to blissful ignorance at this point. Just look at Greece and Italy. Their economies are either currently collapsing or have collapsed due to the exact same situation that we have here. There is just not enough money in the world to bail out the United States when you see that the FDIC is insuring tens of trillions in fake money and toxic assets. There is no going back. Electing a new president will not solve this problem, which is obvious, just look at the candidates for president now. None of them are even admitting we have a problem. Their idea of cutting the budget or increasing taxes are so ridiculously ineffective that you have to wonder if it is intentional or if they are simply stupid.

What we see today is that bribes were the carrot that the government used to get us to pay our tribute. Now that the carrot is gone all they have is the stick. We've watched police violence increase steadily until now, where police assault on innocent people is reaching a bloody crescendo of violence on the streets of cities and college campuses. Every day there is another video of a police officer kicking a pregnant woman, spraying chemicals into the faces of the elderly, arresting protesters simply for being in a certain place. 6.7 million adult men and women -- about 3.1 percent of the total U.S. adult population -- are incarcerated at a cost of 45K per year to the dwindling number of taxpayers. Our best and brightest, not wanting to see their kids yoked with trillions in debt, are leaving for greener pastures. And the old people still haven't realized that Social Security won't be paying out for them.

Thanks for listening to me talk. I'd love to hear any constructive feedback, positive or negative. If you don't think that taxation is theft, then what if there were no government bribes? Would it still be OK with you? Because that is the future, taxation without social programs and domestic spending.
 
To be honest, I stopped reading when you equated taxes to stealing. Did it get even worse?

My first piece of constructive criticism. I will try to change the words around from "theft" to "take from using threats of violence" or "appropriate against your will" to get people to read further. Thanks for the input!
 
My first piece of constructive criticism. I will try to change the words around from "theft" to "take from using threats of violence" or "appropriate against your will" to get people to read further. Thanks for the input!

Both of those are also false. That's why the failure was so epic!
 
Whenever the government pays for something, such as the salaries of government employees, politicians, cops, firemen, road crews, contractors, the costs of war, etc, it only has two sources of income to pay for it. The first is borrowing money from other countries at interest through the sale of bonds, and the other is theft.

I got that far, and when I knew you were wrong from personal experience, I started skimming, because it was clear you weren't talking to people like me.

I'm loaning the government money right now, and have for years, and I'm not a foreign country. True, the average OWS listener might never have invested in government bonds, but it jumped right out at me.

On a separate issue... The cry used to be "no taxation without representation." We've got that now, and even women and minorities can vote. So what is it now? "No taxation even with representation"?
 
Here's the problem. Your premise rests on the notion that the government is coming to get you. In this scenario, the government is an outside force against which I necessarily have an adversarial relationship.

I don't buy this scenario. The US government is a representative democracy. I am not a victim of my government; I am a part of it. A tiny part of it, true. You might argue an insignificant part of it, but the fact remains that if I am taxed, it is because I and my fellow citizens have agreed to this taxation.

Politics has become a dirty word, but in the end, it is merely the process by which groups make decisions. It is my opinion, and I'm convinced this opinion is shared by most Americans, that taxation is the most straightforward means of financing those public works that are needed by the nation as a whole. The government does not steal my money when they tax me. I cede my fair share willingly.
 
I don't buy this scenario. The US government is a representative democracy. I am not a victim of my government; I am a part of it. A tiny part of it, true. You might argue an insignificant part of it, but the fact remains that if I am taxed, it is because I and my fellow citizens have agreed to this taxation.

Fair enough. Can we just ignore the taxation=theft part and focus on the rest? It doesn't rely on that premise to be true, just substitute "tax" for "steal". At least we are on the same page with counterfeiting being stealing, right? Thanks for the post.
 
Also: what are your thoughts on my assertion that Social Security's unfunded liabilities are going to bankrupt us? It seems like the boomers ate their own kids with this ponzi scheme that you can't opt out of (at least from my perspective as a relatively young person).
 
Fair enough. Can we just ignore the taxation=theft part and focus on the rest? It doesn't rely on that premise to be true, just substitute "tax" for "steal". At least we are on the same page with counterfeiting being stealing, right? Thanks for the post.

When the government prints currency, they are not counterfeiting.

Serious question: Is the purpose of your speech to get laughed at?
 
Here's a speech I wrote for my local OWS a week or so ago to try my best to explain the current economic crisis in the US. I was wondering if anyone cared to critique it, I realize that I am not the best writer and there may be a typo or grammatical error in there. I tried to keep it as simple to understand for the "everyman" as I could. I trust the opinions of the JREF and would love to hear some criticisms of this piece or arguments against it (especially if I've made any factual or mathematical errors).

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Since foreigners own so much of our debt, it was crucial to keep interest rates low.

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Thanks for listening to me talk. I'd love to hear any constructive feedback, positive or negative. If you don't think that taxation is theft, then what if there were no government bribes? Would it still be OK with you? Because that is the future, taxation without social programs and domestic spending.

Speaking personally as a foreigner who owns some of your debt, I'd like your country to settle its affairs and elect only politicians dedicated to servicing the public debt in a timely manner. I don't want you to start electing insane nutbars who want to return to the gold standard or whatnot. If you do that then I won't invest in your country any longer and/or I will demand a higher yield.

And get those Occupy people down there to Alabama to pick the rotting tomatoes after you threw all the Mexicans out because they're foreigners.
 
Also: what are your thoughts on my assertion that Social Security's unfunded liabilities are going to bankrupt us? It seems like the boomers ate their own kids with this ponzi scheme that you can't opt out of (at least from my perspective as a relatively young person).

Don't worry. By the time you retire the retirement age will be 80 years old at a bare minimum.
 
You sound suspiciously like a FMOTL to me. Although i'm relatively new to their.....ramblings.
 
It doesn't rely on that premise to be true, just substitute "tax" for "steal". At least we are on the same page with counterfeiting being stealing, right? Thanks for the post.

Counterfeiting is indeed stealing. However, the government printing money is not counterfeiting. It's an absurd suggestion. If the government isn't allowed to print money, who is?

But the fundamental problem with your premise runs throughout your essay. You've set up a "government vs. the people" dichotomy, and it's one that I can't buy into. The people ARE the government, and the government is the people. I would not buy into any argument that relies upon this artificial schism.
 
Counterfeiting is indeed stealing. However, the government printing money is not counterfeiting. It's an absurd suggestion. If the government isn't allowed to print money, who is?

But the fundamental problem with your premise runs throughout your essay. You've set up a "government vs. the people" dichotomy, and it's one that I can't buy into. The people ARE the government, and the government is the people. I would not buy into any argument that relies upon this artificial schism.

Seems to me the intent with the speech is to preach to the choir anyway. So it doesn't need any facts or good arguments, just enough buzzwords and catchphrases to keep the stoners nodding along at the right parts.
 
My first piece of constructive criticism. I will try to change the words around from "theft" to "take from using threats of violence" or "appropriate against your will" to get people to read further. Thanks for the input!

The problem is that pollutes your whole presentation.

On a separate issue... The cry used to be "no taxation without representation." We've got that now, and even women and minorities can vote. So what is it now? "No taxation even with representation"?

That truly seems to be the cry of some people. I'm not sure how we got from "more reasonable taxation" to "no taxation ever" as a political philosophy.

Fair enough. Can we just ignore the taxation=theft part and focus on the rest? It doesn't rely on that premise to be true, just substitute "tax" for "steal". At least we are on the same page with counterfeiting being stealing, right? Thanks for the post.

Woops, you did it again... :rolleyes:

Counterfeiting is indeed stealing. However, the government printing money is not counterfeiting. It's an absurd suggestion. If the government isn't allowed to print money, who is?

The same people who are allowed to charge taxes?

But the fundamental problem with your premise runs throughout your essay. You've set up a "government vs. the people" dichotomy, and it's one that I can't buy into. The people ARE the government, and the government is the people. I would not buy into any argument that relies upon this artificial schism.

It is strange, literally anyone can become an elected official in our system. You don't like the "system" then get elected and change it. Why some people have this "us vs. them" philosophy is mind boggling. It's all "us."
 
I was stumped by the "stealing" as the only alternative to borrowing from other countries. The fact is that most borrowing the government does is through open-market operations. If say the United States as a whole with some still massive savings has a hard time finding places in the private economy to invest, it may very well buy a whole bunch of government bonds. And looking at the situation right now, that is precisely what it is doing. In this country, with all the problems with lack of personal savings, we still have excess savings when compared to investment. The savers (large funds) are either happily, or begrudgingly because of the economy, running for government bonds. Or gold, and other commodities.

Otherwise it's a bit long speech and I admit I didn't read all of it. The rant against fiat currency and for gold-backed currency left me cold.

And yes, I'm firmly in the OWS/99% crowd.
 
But the fundamental problem with your premise runs throughout your essay. You've set up a "government vs. the people" dichotomy, and it's one that I can't buy into. The people ARE the government, and the government is the people. I would not buy into any argument that relies upon this artificial schism.

What he/she said!!!!!!
 

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