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On the Cain Train

varwoche

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It's highly impractical to create a thread for each astoundingly imbecilic thing that Herman Cain says or does. Clearly, the Politics section woud rapidly devolve into a Herman Cain forum. (And that's with Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich and Paul in the race!) So as a public service, I've created this thread in order to document the goings-on of this world class liar/clown/nutjob. And now, the threads concerning the many topics where Cain is substantive <guffaw> can be free of the weird and whacky.

A few things the thread is not about:
- 9-9-9 (sure it's imbecilic, but there's already a dedicated thread)
- mundane gaffes
- other politicians

Herman is appearing on Face the Nation tomorrow -- his first serious media sitdown. Should be interesting.

Later I'll back-fill the whoppers and WTFs that Herman has produced to date. Not a small task.

Herman Cain said:
When people get on the Cain train, they don't get off.
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I anticipate a fun ride -- while it lasts. Which (unfortunately!) won't be long.
 
To kick things off, here are the truly bizarre ads his campaign recently produced:

The cigarette / weird grin ad:


The yellow flowers ad:


Non-conformity is one thing, but these are just idiotic. I have the sense that Herman is incredibly self-absorbed, amongst other things.
 
Flip-flopping on abortion

From Herman's interview with Piers Morgan:

Morgan: If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?

Cain: It's not the government's role, or anybody else's role, to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family, or that mother has to make. Not the president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't try to tell them what decision to make.
That's about as clear as it gets. Pro choice (when a woman is raped).

Except he took a ton of flack and reversed himself the next day with this bald-faced spin:
Cain said:
My answer was focused on the role of the president. The president has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey. As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100 percent pro-life. End of story.
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My take away is (1) to a profound extent, he's unable to express his views with clarity, and/or (2) he doesn't actually understand the abortion debate, and he's pandering.

Clearly #1 is true, evidenced by most everything he says. But in this instance, I suspect that #2 is at play. It's too blatant.
 
Cain said:
My answer was focused on the role of the president. The president has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone.
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The president has been ordering abortions (with a side of slaw, perhaps)? Who knew?
 
I heard that if a constitutional amendment was ever passed he as president would sign the amendment. He apparently wasn’t paying attention in his 9th grade civics class.
 
It is silly to even worry your pretty little heads about Cain. It's like sitting in a movie theater throwing peanuts at the screen after the movie is over. He's had his 15 minutes. He's already beginning to drop in the polls, though the long fall has just begun. And even if Cain were to become the Rug-pulligan candidate, he would be soundly trounced by Obama.
 
Toontown said:
It is silly to even worry your pretty little heads about Cain. It's like sitting in a movie theater throwing peanuts at the screen after the movie is over. He's had his 15 minutes. He's already beginning to drop in the polls, though the long fall has just begun. And even if Cain were to become the Rug-pulligan candidate, he would be soundly trounced by Obama.
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I think it matters to all of us if a "world class liar/clown/nutjob" leads in the polls for either major party at any moment. It bespeaks something truly rotten in the body politic.
 
Toontown said:
It is silly to even worry your pretty little heads about Cain. It's like sitting in a movie theater throwing peanuts at the screen after the movie is over. He's had his 15 minutes. He's already beginning to drop in the polls, though the long fall has just begun. And even if Cain were to become the Rug-pulligan candidate, he would be soundly trounced by Obama.
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Then we worry. No breaks for four years on Obama’s Marxist agenda.
 
MaGZ said:
Then we worry. No breaks for four years on Obama’s Marxist agenda.
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Marxist? You mean a proletariat revolution followed by seizure of the means of production, followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat, followed by a stateless utopia?

You sure that's what he's trying to do?

Well, he better not try it. The armed forces will get him if he tries it. Plus, nobody has the stomach for one of those proletariat revolutions. And that dictatorship of the proletariat would take way to long. We'd all be dead by the time the stateless utopia emerged, even if it weren't a pipe dream.

And even if Obama is trying to do that, I think we'd be better off keeping Obama and trying to talk him off the ledge instead of going with Cain, who will just keep running to a different ledge every time we talk him off of one.
 
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Toontown said:
Marxist? You mean a proletariat revolution followed by seizure of the means of production, followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat, followed by a stateless utopia?
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The Nazi troll laughs when anyone responds to him in earnest. Save yourself the trouble.
 
Toontown said:
Marxist? You mean a proletariat revolution followed by seizure of the means of production, followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat, followed by a stateless utopia?

You sure that's what he's trying to do?

Well, he better not try it. The armed forces will get him if he tries it. Plus, nobody has the stomach for one of those proletariat revolutions. And that dictatorship of the proletariat would take way to long. We'd all be dead by the time the stateless utopia emerged, even if it weren't a pipe dream.

And even if Obama is trying to do that, I think we'd be better off keeping Obama and trying to talk him off the ledge instead of going with Cain, who will just keep running to a different ledge every time we talk him off of one.
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I said Marxist not Maoist.
 
Toontown said:
It is silly to even worry your pretty little heads about Cain. It's like sitting in a movie theater throwing peanuts at the screen after the movie is over. He's had his 15 minutes. He's already beginning to drop in the polls, though the long fall has just begun. And even if Cain were to become the Rug-pulligan candidate, he would be soundly trounced by Obama.
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You're dashing my hopes.

Herman is also dashing my hopes:
2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

hgc said:
I think it matters to all of us if a "world class liar/clown/nutjob" leads in the polls for either major party at any moment. It bespeaks something truly rotten in the body politic.
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Indeed.
 
varwoche said:
My take away is (1) to a profound extent, he's unable to express his views with clarity, and/or (2) he doesn't actually understand the abortion debate, and he's pandering.

Clearly #1 is true, evidenced by most everything he says. But in this instance, I suspect that #2 is at play. It's too blatant.
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I also think that #2 is at play. For example, we've seen it before with regard to Israel. He clearly wants to pander, but often doesn't even know what things are taboo to the interest group in question.
 
I like Herman Cain. He's funny. And I am sure he isn't even serious about becoming president and so he's seeing just how far he can laugh at everyone who takes him seriously.

I like, "Are you guys liberals?"

"Card carrying!" And then he spits on the guy's shoe.:D
 
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