"Wet Goddess" Can bestiality Ever Be OK?

[ponderingturtle]

Thats where consent comes in. How can you know if its a "genuine relationship based on mutual affection"? How can an animal possibly consent when we can't really communicate with it?

And, no, my corporate overlords own my computer, even though its my internet connection. I don't think I'll risk googling bestiality communities just now

And when did we start caring about animal consent? We don't in the livestock industry. Well there is some part of it regarding the artificial insemination of sows that they get fertilized better if they orgasm so there are people who have the job of trying to make sows orgasm.

Why are these not condemned if the point of the issue was truly consent?

 

[carlitos]

[1] Male dolphins had made amorous advances onto human females many times. Which is one of the reasons "swim with dolphins" water parks now only use juveniles.

Towards the end:

 

[madurobob]

I suppose that if an animal was the clear aggressor, or instigator in the encounter, it could be taken as a form of consent. If the animal approaches the human of it's own volition, and then initiates physical contact of a sexual nature, it would seem to be that the animal desires that.

Yes, but what if we replace "animal" with "severely retarded human"? I think I'd generally agree that severely retarded human isn't capable of consent even if the aggressor. So any sex engaged with them amounts to rape. So, sex with a sexually aggressive dolphin might be OK, but sex with a sexually aggressive but retarded human isn't?

Which, of course, gives me yet another reason to pity the severely retarded
human - no sex.

 

[madurobob]

And when did we start caring about animal consent? We don't in the livestock industry. Well there is some part of it regarding the artificial insemination of sows that they get fertilized better if they orgasm so there are people who have the job of trying to make sows orgasm.

Why are these not condemned if the point of the issue was truly consent?

So, its OK to have sex with the animals, consensual or otherwise, as long as it involves procreation and expanding the herd?

 

[Pardalis]

Towards the end:

I wonder if the dolphin was really "humping" or just keeping himself out of the water long enough.

 

[Aridas]

Given a genuine relationship based on mutual affection, where an animal is not harmed, I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a persuasive moral objection.

I would agree with this statement. I'm odd, I suppose, in that the thought of people having sex with animals doesn't repulse me, though I harbor no desire at all to see it. As has been mentioned, though, consent between adults, with the key being that determining whether the creatures in question have both the mental capacity to be considered able to give consent and whether they actually are doing so, would be the real factor, there.

It would be rather important to eliminate the possibility of conditioned behavior as a factor. If the animal is only doing a "trick" to get a reward of food or something, then of course that is exploitation, and not an example of true consent.

Also, this. Raising or training any creature, including humans, so that they're a sex toy, basically, is... morally questionable, at best.

 

[caniswalensis]

And when did we start caring about animal consent? We don't in the livestock industry. Well there is some part of it regarding the artificial insemination of sows that they get fertilized better if they orgasm so there are people who have the job of trying to make sows orgasm.

Why are these not condemned if the point of the issue was truly consent?

I see it like this:

The livestock industry has a legitimate purpose (feeding people) and artificial insemination practices support that purpose. So, for good or ill the industry treats animals like property and does not consider their wants when making decisions about disposition of property.

I do not think you can compare that to individual humans seeking sexual gratification from non-humans.

After all, we are just talking about some jerk that get his jollies chumming a dolphin's blowhole here. If he wants to try to justify that act, he better have some thing better than the fact that he likes it.

 

[caniswalensis]

Yes, but what if we replace "animal" with "severely retarded human"? I think I'd generally agree that severely retarded human isn't capable of consent even if the aggressor. So any sex engaged with them amounts to rape. So, sex with a sexually aggressive dolphin might be OK, but sex with a sexually aggressive but retarded human isn't?

Which, of course, gives me yet another reason to pity the severely retarded
human - no sex.

Not a bad point. I don't know enough to say if the comparrison is valid or not.

I am not sure that a severly retarded human is not capable of consent either. I mean, I really do not know enough on the subject to have an opinion.

You have given me something to think about for sure. (just not sure i really want to think about it. )

And for the record, I don't think it is ever Ok for a human to have sex with an animal. I am just looking at this like a logic problem.

 

[cwalner]

Just because I want to add to the ewww factor.

Does it count as bestiality if you just, um, make your deposit on a species that practices external fertilization?

 

[caniswalensis]

Just because I want to add to the ewww factor.

Does it count as bestiality if you just, um, make your deposit on a species that practices external fertilization?

meh Since there is no chance of reproduction, I would classify that more as 'vandalism.'

 

[Aepervius]

So, anthropomorphism aside, at what point would you admit that a given Human/non-Human sexual relationship was consensual and therefore ethically OK?

Once the non human partner can show and explain to a *lay*/another average human that it indeed consented.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

PETA is gonna jump at this like an animal rapist jumping on a kneeling pig.

 

[sarge]

I remember a scene in the novel Shogun, in which some of the Japanese characters are trying to figure out Blackthorne's sexuality. They aren't sure he likes women, as he hasn't "pillowed" one to their knowledge, so they offer him a boy. He is horrified.

Then one character says, "Let's offer him a duck. Just put it on the floor, and say nothing. We'll see what he does."

It was when Blackthorne was recuperating from the shipwreck in the Village Headmans house.

He knew two or three words of Japanese - one was "Omah". He thought it was one particular woman's name. It means "woman" instead - and when Anjin-san asked for "Omah", the nearest woman dutifully stripped and climbed in bed with him. Being of good puritanical stock, he professed outrage. "Omah" gather her clothes under her arms and marched out with great dignity. The boy and duck conversation ensued. Easily one the the funniest scenes in the book, followed closely by the discovery that he was, by Japanese standards, very well endowed. The locals asked the head man to satisfy their curiosity and order Anjin-san to "make it angry".


Back on topic: Tell the truth. Who here wouldn't hit Jessica Rabbit?

 

[cwalner]

Back on topic: Tell the truth. Who here wouldn't hit Jessica Rabbit?

Considering that she is a cartoon of a human, I don't see your point. She was the one engaging in bestiality, not the beast in that particular pairing.

 

[Dessi]

followed closely by the discovery that he was, by Japanese standards, very well endowed.

So... average?

 

[sarge]

Considering that she is a cartoon of a human, I don't see your point. She was the one engaging in bestiality, not the beast in that particular pairing.

Crap. You're right.

Okay, how about Ariel, the mermaid. I'd hit that like a retard on drums.

 

[Babbylonian]

Considering that she is a cartoon of a human, I don't see your point. She was the one engaging in bestiality, not the beast in that particular pairing.

Maybe the point was that any animal would get googly eyed over her - which of course is a clear indicator of consent.

 

[cwalner]

Crap. You're right.

Okay, how about Ariel, the mermaid. I'd hit that like a retard on drums.

Technically, she is a chimera, not an animal, but considering where her reproductive organs would be are on the non-human portion, I would grant that sex with her would be a little fishy.

 

[sarge]

So... average?

Yes.

Actually, his lover later says that the prostitute she hires for him describes his endowment as "lavish". Of course, she may also have only Japanese men as a basis for comparison.*


before anyone asks, yes - I do prefer Asian porn for this reason.

 

[sarge]

Technically, she is a chimera, not an animal, but considering where her reproductive organs would be are on the non-human portion, I would grant that sex with her would be a little fishy.

There is room for one more joke. It is raunchy and tasteless - something I generally admire. Unfortunately, I am embarrased by such things in mixed company, and there are women (and some ladies) present.