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My Pschiatrist says ghost sightings are the result of boredom.

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One night 40 years ago my parents were off with friends. Nothing was on TV and for some reason I had no friends over. I was bored. In the darkened living room I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. I looked and saw a short, hairy, ugly little scowling man walking a few inches above the floor. It saw me looking at it and it hid behind an easy chair. I got up and looked behind the chair and nothing was there. I wasn't intoxicated and this is the first hallucinaation I had ever had in my life. None have happened since that night.

I told this story to my Psychiatrist and he told me that in situations of extreme boredom our minnds try to self entertain. Anyone in here ever have a similar experience?
 
How did you react to that at the time? Did you acknowledge it as an
hallucination, or a dream? Or did you think it was "something else"?

At one time or another I've experienced everything described on
that "hypnagogia" page. I have also seen (ie. dreamt/imagined/hallucinated)
the "ghost" of my then recently deceased grandpa while in the hypnagogic
state. I've never seen your evil little gnome-like entity, but I've had
"the devil" sitting on my chest trying to smother me a couple of times
and a "monster" apparently trying to rip my lungs out through my back.

Having experienced some of those things first hand I could well understand
how someone unfamiliar with the phenomenon (and perhaps a bit credulous)
could be convinced they'd seen ghosts or met "demons" or whatever.
 
One night 40 years ago my parents were off with friends. Nothing was on TV and for some reason I had no friends over. I was bored. In the darkened living room I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. I looked and saw a short, hairy, ugly little scowling man walking a few inches above the floor. It saw me looking at it and it hid behind an easy chair. I got up and looked behind the chair and nothing was there. I wasn't intoxicated and this is the first hallucinaation I had ever had in my life. None have happened since that night.

I told this story to my Psychiatrist and he told me that in situations of extreme boredom our minnds try to self entertain. Anyone in here ever have a similar experience?

I don't know how old you were, but i had an experience so very similar.

I was about 7 or so and i was home alone ( good parents, i just happened to able to take care of myself by about then. And our neighbors were good friends with my parents. ) I found myself so bored ( i forget what was on, but i think it was one of those auto shows that used to take up like the 10 rabbit ear stations we got at the time. all at once) that i simply started staring at an ( unlit) lighting fixture.

I don't remember if i nodded off , or if it appeared, but i saw a ( unfriendly) creature flying around the light that looked like a combination of a grim reaper, and a ghost. Now in my woo days i used to cling to this pretty hard. But the kicker came when i bought an old cartoon i used to watch last year ( the original ghost busters, with the gorilla.) and lo and behold that evil little bugger was in an episode.

The mind, especially the childs mind can do some weird crap.
 
How did you react to that at the time? Did you acknowledge it as an
hallucination, or a dream? Or did you think it was "something else"?

At one time or another I've experienced everything described on
that "hypnagogia" page. I have also seen (ie. dreamt/imagined/hallucinated)
the "ghost" of my then recently deceased grandpa while in the hypnagogic
state. I've never seen your evil little gnome-like entity, but I've had
"the devil" sitting on my chest trying to smother me a couple of times
and a "monster" apparently trying to rip my lungs out through my back.

Having experienced some of those things first hand I could well understand
how someone unfamiliar with the phenomenon (and perhaps a bit credulous)
could be convinced they'd seen ghosts or met "demons" or whatever.
I was startled but not scared. I really didn't know how to react.
 
I don't know how old you were, but i had an experience so very similar.

I was about 7 or so and i was home alone ( good parents, i just happened to able to take care of myself by about then. And our neighbors were good friends with my parents. ) I found myself so bored ( i forget what was on, but i think it was one of those auto shows that used to take up like the 10 rabbit ear stations we got at the time. all at once) that i simply started staring at an ( unlit) lighting fixture.

I don't remember if i nodded off , or if it appeared, but i saw a ( unfriendly) creature flying around the light that looked like a combination of a grim reaper, and a ghost. Now in my woo days i used to cling to this pretty hard. But the kicker came when i bought an old cartoon i used to watch last year ( the original ghost busters, with the gorilla.) and lo and behold that evil little bugger was in an episode.

The mind, especially the childs mind can do some weird crap.
I was 22 years old when this happened. You were at the age when kids do see things that aren't there. I on the other hand should have been way beyond that stage.
 
I am not ashamed to admit that I am one who experiences ghosts regularly and at times quite vividly, engaging both visual, emotion, sound and felt sensations. It does not pose a problem for me as I am quite capable of distinguishing between this and what is normal perception, not only by common knowledge of what is and is not contained in our mutual perception of reality, but also in that these ghostly perceptions are not lifelike or real-seeming as what we perceive by normal means. So there is no entanglement into ordinary perception of reality and no consequences into my reactions nor leading to changes in the choices that I make or how I live my life. Rather, it is an entertaining and interesting anomaly to experience, somewhat as innocent and amusing like watching television.

So, after that little disclaimer, I can say that I frequently experience people and places that depict the past of the place that I am visiting. Most places do not trigger these experiences, but certain places will always trigger the same scene to take place around me like a holographic movie.

Typically, most of such depict something disturbing taking place. Someone drowning, dying from an illness such as the plague, or starvation, or being stabbed. Others depict distress, if there is a fire, a bomb falling from the sky, or sadness and grief, someone crying over a coffin of a deceased loved one. Only few are pleasant scenes from everyday life, such as emigrants leaving Sweden for America, a man from the 1600s carrying a book down the stairs, or little girl ballerinas in the 1800s performing for their families in what is otherwise an empty closed down hall today.

The experience is visual, it is also felt, I can often feel the person or the surroundings in that image, there are sounds but sounds that are felt not heard, and sometimes scent. Sometimes the ghosts try to touch me and make contact, then it never feels like real touch but like a blunt electrical sensation. Once a ghost was screaming at me and pushing me off a chair, and it resulted in an actual physical push. I was holding on to the edge of the chair and I fail to understand how my body could have acchieved a motor response of that kind.

The ghosts see their surrounding in their own time in history and not the way I see it today. When the image of a ghost reaches me, often the ghosts in the image that they are in can become aware of me, but then they see me as if I were there with them, in their time. Often then the image of myself appears hazily with them, and with me dressed in a way according to their time.

Ghosts can talk to me, and I can talk back to them and engage in conversations with them. They are always surprised, and often in disbelief, when I tell them that they are deceased and that they are in the past, and that I am in the future and the year is 2010. They move about in an image that looks like their time, they have no sense of our time.

Often, speaking with the ghosts it becomes clear that they are stuck. They are reliving some traumatizing experience that they had. Often when I talk to them about it, it can offer them some relief, and often then a ghost will suddenly turn into a bright flash of light and is gone, and the same haunting will never occur in the same place again.

I do not take it too seriously and I make no assumptions. It is just something that I see, and it is no more real or important to me than the television I watch: while I am seeing it it is interesting, encaptivating, but I never lose myself into it from reality around me, and once I switch it off I am back here, nothing gained, nothing lost.
 
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I do not take it too seriously and I make no assumptions. It is just something that I see, and it is no more real or important to me than the television I watch: while I am seeing it it is interesting, encaptivating, but I never lose myself into it from reality around me, and once I switch it off I am back here, nothing gained, nothing lost.

I believe you are lying about how seriously you take it. You once told me:

It started when I saw something brief about the Old West on TV in a commercial break and noticed that I was seeing the full apparition of an Old West man. These images are larger than thought-images in my mind, and persist even when what are my thoughts would fade. And I was able to speak with him in my thoughts. I wrote down the entire conversation and I'd like you to read it and tell me what you think.

You were so compelled by this that you actually wrote it down, then typed it out again to tell me about it in a Skype chat. You told me other ghost stories as well. By contrast you never shared any stories with me about TV shows that you watched nor have you ever told us stories about carrying on conversations with characters on TV.

You seem to be hallucinating or creating delusion fantasies, which is a far cry from the brief glimpses most people claim for their ghost stories.
 
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I believe you are lying about how seriously you take it. You once told me:



You were so compelled by this that you actually wrote it down, then typed it out again to tell me about it in a Skype chat. You told me other ghost stories as well. By contrast you never shared any stories with me about TV shows that you watched nor have you ever told us stories about carrying on conversations with characters on TV.

You seem to be hallucinating or creating delusion fantasies, which is a far cry from the brief glimpses most people claim for their ghost stories.

Oh, for Pete's sake. VfF is yakking about ghosts again?

Yes, yes, Anita. We know. You've "met" with ghosts. Like Ben Franklin, ghosts of the Revolutionary War, and other assorted ghosties. :rolleyes:
 
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The psychiatrist's pretended authority masked simple speculation. That's his trade.
 
I was 22 years old when this happened. You were at the age when kids do see things that aren't there. I on the other hand should have been way beyond that stage.

Hello! :)

Strangely our brains see things all the time that aren't there. But hypnogogia sounds likely. When we are drozy we can slip into a dream like state, have a dream like event and not really know we are asleep.

I have seen spirit doors, people who aren't there and according to my wife this occured as she came to bed:
Me- Aren't you annoyed?
Her: What?
Me- By that in the corner.
Her: What is in the corner?
Me- That two donut hornswoggler.


Now I have to say that since I have a CPAP and have treated my severe sleep apnea, I have many fewer hypnigogic events.
 
This is interesting and while I do not share your views I respect them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone getting insulting about anothers beliefs. I used to love ghost stories and movies and I even watch Ghost Hunters on TV with the attitude "if only this were true".

It was easier to give up religion than it was for me to give up spooks and things that go bump in the night. One of my posts concerning ghosts being a form of energy life was my last ditch effort to put credibility to the existence of ghosts but again I've been proven wrong. Like Ambroise Bierce said "Ghosts are the outward signs of our inward fears". There ain't no ghosts anad it breaks my heart.
 
I am not ashamed to admit that I am one who experiences ghosts regularly and at times quite vividly, engaging both visual, emotion, sound and felt sensations. It does not pose a problem for me as I am quite capable of distinguishing between this and what is normal perception, not only by common knowledge of what is and is not contained in our mutual perception of reality, but also in that these ghostly perceptions are not lifelike or real-seeming as what we perceive by normal means. So there is no entanglement into ordinary perception of reality and no consequences into my reactions nor leading to changes in the choices that I make or how I live my life. Rather, it is an entertaining and interesting anomaly to experience, somewhat as innocent and amusing like watching television.

So, after that little disclaimer, I can say that I frequently experience people and places that depict the past of the place that I am visiting. Most places do not trigger these experiences, but certain places will always trigger the same scene to take place around me like a holographic movie.

Typically, most of such depict something disturbing taking place. Someone drowning, dying from an illness such as the plague, or starvation, or being stabbed. Others depict distress, if there is a fire, a bomb falling from the sky, or sadness and grief, someone crying over a coffin of a deceased loved one. Only few are pleasant scenes from everyday life, such as emigrants leaving Sweden for America, a man from the 1600s carrying a book down the stairs, or little girl ballerinas in the 1800s performing for their families in what is otherwise an empty closed down hall today.

The experience is visual, it is also felt, I can often feel the person or the surroundings in that image, there are sounds but sounds that are felt not heard, and sometimes scent. Sometimes the ghosts try to touch me and make contact, then it never feels like real touch but like a blunt electrical sensation. Once a ghost was screaming at me and pushing me off a chair, and it resulted in an actual physical push. I was holding on to the edge of the chair and I fail to understand how my body could have acchieved a motor response of that kind.

The ghosts see their surrounding in their own time in history and not the way I see it today. When the image of a ghost reaches me, often the ghosts in the image that they are in can become aware of me, but then they see me as if I were there with them, in their time. Often then the image of myself appears hazily with them, and with me dressed in a way according to their time.

Ghosts can talk to me, and I can talk back to them and engage in conversations with them. They are always surprised, and often in disbelief, when I tell them that they are deceased and that they are in the past, and that I am in the future and the year is 2010. They move about in an image that looks like their time, they have no sense of our time.

Often, speaking with the ghosts it becomes clear that they are stuck. They are reliving some traumatizing experience that they had. Often when I talk to them about it, it can offer them some relief, and often then a ghost will suddenly turn into a bright flash of light and is gone, and the same haunting will never occur in the same place again.

I do not take it too seriously and I make no assumptions. It is just something that I see, and it is no more real or important to me than the television I watch: while I am seeing it it is interesting, encaptivating, but I never lose myself into it from reality around me, and once I switch it off I am back here, nothing gained, nothing lost.
This is interesting and while I do not share your views I respect them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone getting insulting about anothers beliefs. I used to love ghost stories and movies and I even watch Ghost Hunters on TV with the attitude "if only this were true".

It was easier to give up religion than it was for me to give up spooks and things that go bump in the night. One of my posts concerning ghosts being a form of energy life was my last ditch effort to put credibility to the existence of ghosts but again I've been proven wrong. Like Ambroise Bierce said "Ghosts are the outward signs of our inward fears". There ain't no ghosts and it breaks my heart
 
This is interesting and while I do not share your views I respect them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone getting insulting about anothers beliefs.

If you are referring to my reply, then let me clarify that I was expressing derision towards her past delusional dishonesty about her 'experiences' with ghosts. It's offensive that, among her other fantasies about ghosts, she turned a founding father of the United States into an unwashed, ungroomed, unpatriotic party boy, and then continues to insist that her "experiences" correlate with reality.
 
This is interesting and while I do not share your views I respect them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone getting insulting about anothers beliefs. I used to love ghost stories and movies and I even watch Ghost Hunters on TV with the attitude "if only this were true".

It was easier to give up religion than it was for me to give up spooks and things that go bump in the night. One of my posts concerning ghosts being a form of energy life was my last ditch effort to put credibility to the existence of ghosts but again I've been proven wrong. Like Ambroise Bierce said "Ghosts are the outward signs of our inward fears". There ain't no ghosts and it breaks my heart

Boy, I hear that! As a kid, you see ghosts everywhere. Remember that feeling of reaching for the light switch after a really scary movie and knowing that there is another cold hand waiting in the dark to brush against your fingers? My mom, a woo-ist of the highest order, took every fanciful thing I said very seriously. By the time I was 9, I was in the habit of seeing ghosts. Like most habits, it took far to long to give it up.

The oddest part is knowing that my memories are false, that all these events that still seem real, weren't. I have logical explanations for most of them but there are a few that make me wish I could go back in time and see what was really happening.
 
Boy, I hear that! As a kid, you see ghosts everywhere. Remember that feeling of reaching for the light switch after a really scary movie and knowing that there is another cold hand waiting in the dark to brush against your fingers? My mom, a woo-ist of the highest order, took every fanciful thing I said very seriously. By the time I was 9, I was in the habit of seeing ghosts. Like most habits, it took far to long to give it up.

The oddest part is knowing that my memories are false, that all these events that still seem real, weren't. I have logical explanations for most of them but there are a few that make me wish I could go back in time and see what was really happening.
What I find amazing about this short lived thread is the people who used to see ghosts who no longer believe in them.
 

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