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Progressive Israelis to protest segregated bus line

parky76 said:
yes. which laws?
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Law, policy, expectation, whatever.... All I'm saying is that "democracy" is nothing more than a system of government. Democracies only care what the majority (i.e the bigoted, moronic, majority) wants and there is no inherent guarantee that such government will treat people fairly.

parky76 said:
do you also feel such animosity towards Islam?
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What's wrong? Fatwah envy?

Religious filth is religious filth. It doesn't matter if it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Scientology, or Unitarianism. It all most go.
 
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Mark A. Siefert said:
Law, policy, expectation, whatever.... All I'm saying is that "democracy" is nothing more than a system of government. Democracies only care what the majority (i.e the bigoted, moronic, majority) .
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The majority could well be bigoted or moronic, but what's your alternative?
 
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Mark A. Siefert said:
Law, policy, expectation, whatever.... All I'm saying is that "democracy" is nothing more than a system of government. Democracies only care what the majority (i.e the bigoted, moronic, majority) wants and there is no inherent guarantee that such government will treat people fairly.
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Except that the large majority of bus lines in Israel are not segregated, and you seem to be misrepresenting the situation. This is the reason I replied in the first place.

The story is as follows, after pressure from the ultra religious community, the bus company has decided that some routes, which overwhelmingly serve the Orthodox community will be segregated. (These are the lines whose routes serve religious neighborhoods in Jerusalem. The ultra religious Jews seem to prefer to live in closed communities.) There was no legislation involved, and no protest from the community using said routes. (The last point is problematic, as one may argue, with some justification, that women are not treated as equals in that community.) The current protest is from outside the community.

Actually, I am sympathetic to the goals of the protesters. I think that Egged should not be allowed to institute such regulations, even if the local community wishes them. If the Haredim wan't a "kosher" bus routes, they should invest and operate their own bus company. While this was unheard of in Israel of 30 or 40 years ago, it is possible now.
 
Doctor Evil said:
Except that the large majority of bus lines in Israel are not segregated, and you seem to be misrepresenting the situation. This is the reason I replied in the first place.
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One company that caters to the whims of religionist scum is too many.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Law, policy, expectation, whatever.... All I'm saying is that "democracy" is nothing more than a system of government. Democracies only care what the majority (i.e the bigoted, moronic, majority) wants and there is no inherent guarantee that such government will treat people fairly.
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these days, "democracy" seems to be shorthand for "liberal Western-style democracy". and such a democracy respects the wishes of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority.

or are you just one of those "America is a REPUBLIC..not a democracy!!!!" people?
 
Folks, folks. folks...please....a little self control.

Treating women like this is an outrage...but in Israel its no big deal....actually quite charming, harmless, understandable.

They are a modern democracy, even with the things that are incompatible with modern democracy.


Seriously....Israels answer to this should be to tell these people "bad luck, the nation has moved on passed the age you yearn to live in"
 
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Mark A. Siefert said:
One company that caters to the whims of religionist scum is too many.
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I'm an atheist myself, but I really do not think of really religious persons as scum - unless they actively persecute others (and I feel quite the same about atheists persecuting others). You are making somewhat of a bad impression here I believe - and for, with no offence, not a lot of reason.

I may be wrong, but I do not remember this type/level of thing from you in the past
 
Religious extremists in Israel are a real problem, but they are really just a small minority which has managed to achieve undue influence because of their zealotry and because of unfortunate political circumstances.

Hopefully this incident will prompt some Israelis to take this problem more seriously.
 
I say bring on the counter-protests, as long as it leads to pics like these:



 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Did a majority of the population vote for this type of behaviour?
History clearly shows that democracies can elect appalling governments.
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no. this measure has nothing to do with a vote by the public.

there was no referendum in Jerusalem asking the public:

"do you want there to sex-segregated bus lines going through Haredi neighborhoods?"
 
parky76 said:
no. this measure has nothing to do with a vote by the public.

there was no referendum in Jerusalem asking the public:

"do you want there to sex-segregated bus lines going through Haredi neighborhoods?"
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The public who are against this sort of unacceptable segregation have every right to protest and should be supported in doing so.
 
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