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Sylvia Browne is correct ZERO out of 112 missing person/murder cases

How many times does this woman have to be catastrophically wrong? I think peoples faith in the woman is more fundamental than that, they have faith in psychic abilities. Before her even having to prove herself in any way to them, they believe she can do it, because they've already somehow come to the conclusion that it's at all possible. All she has to do to convince people is present herself appropriately.

Great list guys, I knew the woman had a bad track record, but I didn't know it was this bad. Great to see some emperical evidence to directly fight the woo.
 
My son..Christopher Abraham Mader is #41 on unkown killers...Why can't I find any information on my being the show?
signed,
Chris's mom
Samantha mader Payne
 
thesimplelife69 said:
My son..Christopher Abraham Mader is #41 on unkown killers...Why can't I find any information on my being the show?
signed,
Chris's mom
Samantha mader Payne
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Hello Samantha,

Welcome to the forums. I can dig up the transcript for you, would you like to see it? Could you tell us more about your experience and son's case?

Edit to add:
I started a thread about Chris and posted the transcript here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161042
 
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I cannot find much about the subject either. Found only these
http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/09/under-microscope-1-sylvia-browne.html
http://forums.somd.com/archive/t-119866.html

Found heaps about your son. If Sylvia had helped then that fact would be all over the Internet.

And welcome to the forum. Have you had a look around here? If you are interested in Sylvia Browne click on the Sylvia Browne tag at the top of the page and you will find heaps of threads. They all say she is a fake in so many ways.
 
Hello Samantha. Welcome to the forums.

Here is your transcript:

(Excerpt from videotape)
SAMANTHA: My life changed forever on--on Thanksgiving morning, November 24th. My son was killed. It took him, in a matter of seconds, not knowing why, not knowing who. Chris was my firstborn child. He was beautiful. He was smart. So we just were very, very close. He was well-liked, well, you know, by everybody. He didn't have an enemy. He was just coming home from work. He was literally three blocks from the house, and he was shot, and they killed him. He died--and his car just slowly veered over to the right onto the grass and hit the utility pole and took down a sign, and that's where he--where he crashed, and he was dead before he crashed. He had $1,000 in his wallet, he had a cell phone, and all his tapes and--and his books in--in his car. That was still there, and his cell phone was still there, so it wasn't a robbery attempt. It just breaks our hearts that we don't know if--if it was someone that hated him, or--or just a drive-by shooting. We live in a development--we live in a beautiful development with--he was shot right in front of a grammar school. The police have little to go on because it was on Thanksgiving morning in Charles County. Christopher, for 2004, is the only unsolved murder as of today.
(End of excerpt)
WILLIAMS: That's crazy. Thanksgiving. Please welcome Samantha to the show.
SAMANTHA: Hi.
Ms. BROWNE: Samantha, when I work, and I work with a lot of police and everything else, it takes a little while to build up. This came in like gangbusters.
SAMANTHA: Yeah.
Ms. BROWNE: This guy's name is...(censored by network). He had got into a confrontation with this guy. It was one of those where you get, you know, ticked off.
WILLIAMS: Road rage con--confrontation?
Ms. BROWNE: No, no, it was when he was eating.
WILLIAMS: OK.
Ms. BROWNE: OK. Didn't like the food. You know--I mean, I've gotten aggravated, you know, but, I mean, he really was. You know how he was. He hated injustices, do you know what I mean?
SAMANTHA: Mm-hmm.
Ms. BROWNE: You know, like saying, `Do you call this food?' You know what I'm saying? The guy that was the cook, the fry cook, was not--the elevator didn't go all the way up, do you know what I'm saying?
SAMANTHA: Uh-huh.
Ms. BROWNE: Saw him passing by, and shot him.
WILLIAMS: From car to car?
SAMANTHA: Was he waiting for him?
Ms. BROWNE: From car to car.
SAMANTHA: OK.
Ms. BROWNE: No, it was--he--he was carrying a gun in his car anyway. But, see, I think this guy is being wanted by another name, but if they check this name, they're going to find that he's wanted for something else.
SAMANTHA: OK. Did he see it coming?
Ms. BROWNE: No.
SAMANTHA: So he never felt any pain? And so they were looking for him--he was looking for him?
Ms. BROWNE: Oh, this guy was really ticked off.
SAMANTHA: OK. OK.
Ms. BROWNE: You know, I--see, people who are not...
WILLIAMS: Will they solve this?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Oh, yeah, they will. People are not right in their head go on these vendettas because--you know, if--if--if--if somebody said to me, `This is--what you cooked is lousy,' I'd say, `Well, then, don't eat it.' Do you see what I mean? But if you're a little bit, you know, you could take this personally.
SAMANTHA: Well, this was personal.
Ms. BROWNE: Oh...
WILLIAMS: Look around. Start looking around. Look around for restaurants, small restaurants in the area, places that your son may have eaten breakfast.
Ms. BROWNE: See where he ate breakfast.
SAMANTHA: Will he ever come to me in my dreams? Will I ever...
Ms. BROWNE: Oh, you--absolutely. I was going to tell you that. But he also will come with a scent, you know, like after-shave, whatever, do you see what I'm saying?
SAMANTHA: OK.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
SAMANTHA: Thanks.
WILLIAMS: This--this gentleman in the blue shirt. Yes, sir?
 
Some to revisions to the list-




Wrong:

1) John Baglier
2) Erica Baker
3) Jamie Barker
4) Eve Brown
5) Terrence Farrell
6) Erica Fraysure
7) Robert Hayes
8) Hunter Horgan
9) Shawn Hornbeck
10) Sharon James and her son
11) Opal Jo Jennings
12) Ryan Katcher
13) Richard Kneebone
14) Steven Kraft
15) Holly Krewson
16) Angie Lee
17) Chandra Levy
18) Lynda McClelland
19) Ashley Ouellette
20) Lori Pleasants
21) Renquin, Nelson, DesVergnes
22) Waylon Robbins
23) Sago Mining
24) Dana Satterfield
25) Shannon Sherrill
26) John Slayton
27) Richard Torres
28) Anthony Urciuoli
29) Terry Webb


Unknown:

1) Manuel Archambault
2) Crystal Arensdorf
3) Marin Assault
4) Michael Berrios
5) Amanda Berry
6) Johnia Berry
7) Molly Bish
8) Acacia Bishop
9) Jackie Blair
10) Kevin Brown
11) Lori Bova
12) Charles Rhodes Campbell
13) Jose Concepcion
14) Rachel Cooke
15) Nicholle Marie Coppler
16) Joshua Wayne Crawford
17) Jerry Cushey Jr.
18) Zandra Ducsay
19) Michael Emert
20) Jill Lyn Euto
21) Miranda Fenner
22) Anwa Abb Ford
23) Frank Forte Jr.
24) Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible
25) Cecilia Garcia
26) Joshua Guimond
27) James Harris
28) Sherri Hassett
29) Lt. Jason Henderson
30) Adrienne Heredia
31) Audrey May Herron
32) John Valentine Hope
33) Girly Chew Hossencofft
34) Patrick Hubbard and daughter
35) Wendy Hudakoc
36) Dustin Ivey
37) George Erik James
38) Sharon Jones
39) Douglas Jones
40) Donnie Kilby
41) Kristine Kupka
42) The Langstons
43) Amanda Lankey
44) Kristin Laurite
45) Taurean Lewis and 2 others
46) Brookley Louks
47) Nancy MacDuckston
48) Christopher Mader
49) Gail Matthews and Tamara Berkheiser
50) Frank Mazzella
51) Louise Melgoza Macias
52) Tristan Meyers
53) Dena McCluskey
54) Niqui McCown
55) Salvatore Minichiello
56) Anitra Mulwee
57) Michael Negrete
58) Jacqueline Elaine Nix
59) Michelle O'Keefe
60) Janice Powers
61) Shamika Riley
62) Rochelle Robinson and Michael Johnston
63) Christopher Scarbell and son
64) Jan Scharf
65) Tina Sinclair
66) Jonathan Skaggs
67) Bryan Keith Smith
68) Erica Heather Smith
69) Tammie Smith
70) Tori Stafford
71) John South
72) Leah Tagliaferri
73) Ryan Thompson
74) Yvonne Torch
75) Tabitha Tuders
76) Max Uffelman
77) Terressa Lynn Vanegas
78) Pat Viola
79) Leanna Warner
80) Elizabeth Watkins and Nicole Watkins
81) Franklin Weekley
82) Lindsay Wells
83) Amber Wilde
84) Carrie Ann Williams
85) Gina Williams
86) Sherita Williams
87) Wayma White
88) Carol Wood


Unidentified:

1) Terrisa's mother
2) Brandy X and Lisa X
3) Natalie X
4) Brenda X's family
5) Steven X
6) Kelly X
7) Sunshine X
8) Taisha X
9) Jim X
10) Angel and Diana X

Assorted ones:

1) The Pope
2) Luke Lum
3) Christopher Reeve


This comes out to a grand total of oh-my-Lord-I-don't-even-know-anymore :(.

QG and Robert- let's move the Langstons to "Wrong". That's where they should be.
 
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29+88+10+03=130

Why do you not ask the mods to amend the thread name to
Sylvia Browne is correct ZERO out of 130 missing person/murder cases

But then what is the difference between 130 & 114?
Answer. Not much as both are large numbers. Aside. Not all questions like the above question are maths questions.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
QG and Robert- let's move the Langstons to "Wrong". That's where they should be.
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I think there are too many unknowns. I replied at the thread.

rjh01 said:
29+88+10+03=130

Why do you not ask the mods to amend the thread name to
Sylvia Browne is correct ZERO out of 130 missing person/murder cases

But then what is the difference between 130 & 114?
Answer. Not much as both are large numbers. Aside. Not all questions like the above question are maths questions.
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It's a work in progress. The list will be amended and the numbers will be changing as more references come in. There maybe some overlap and some names removed if no references can be found that Browne spoke to the families.
 
The latest issue of the Skeptical Inquirer is out and I'm happy to say that some of the research that has been exchanged on this forum and in private has been used with permission in the issue (click link for more information).
 
What does this say about Montell Williams? He got his own TV show because at one point in his life he was someone you could admire. What happened? How could he have fallen so far that he is selling dubious juicers with Sylvia?

I think this would make a good thread. I don't enouph about Montell Williams to believe I should start the thread -- but maybe someone else here feels they know enough.
 
QG and Eeney, thanks as always. Randi has emailed me a copy of your article, so your work has been Noticed!

I have yet to hear of anyone claiming I have refused topublish their positive account of Browne.

Frankly, in all the time since the site first opened, I have only heard fromTWO people who said that Browne had given them an accurate or helpful reading.

The first was a woman who wrote that Browne had given her an incredibly accurate phone reading. She eventually sent me a recording of the "reading" which showed that most of her memories of the reading were incorrect, and that cold reading accounted for everything.

The second was a woman who sent me an obscenity-laced email in which she claimed that Browne had helped to find the woman's missing father.

When I asked if she had any evidenlce of this - a newspaper article about her father being found, a recording of the reading - anything, her correspondence got more and more angry and her language more foul. I finally told her that I would publish her original email or, if she preferred, she could rewrite it. I told her that if I published it as is, it would look like I was trying to make Browne's supporters look bad. she agreed, and said she would like to rewrite it. I never heard from her again, in spite of my writing to her several times.
 
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but it is funny how I've always had the exact same experience.

People who actually defend Browne to me (and psychic detectives and psychics in general) almost never do it by presenting evidence to the contrary. Even something they think is evidence to the contrary.

They almost never say something like "Well, I saw her on TV and she told someone something so accurate he fell to his knees!" or "She told my mother something very accurate and specific about my late grandmother that she'd never be able to know otherwise." (Not that this would be verifiable and credible evidence, of course.)

What do they say? How do you know, how is it any of your affair, what right do you have, "BUT SHE HELPS PEOPLE!", she would never lie, the psychics help them get over the loss, the psychics give them hope, who are you to take away their hope, "My aunt once saw a psychic and she was really good!", maybe the police lie when they say they don't use psychics because they are afraid of what would happen if they admitted to it, I'm an idiot, I'm a close minded party pooper, I'm negative, I'm a naysayer, I just don't understand, I need to get a life.

Oddly, sometimes people who aren't even fans of Sylvia Browne, John Edward or John of God or anyone else somehow feel the need to chime in and add their two cents and defend them. And, ironically, their unasked for two cents are usually that you and I shouldn't have our "unasked for" two cents.

And their defense is never a rebuttal. It's supposition, speculation, maybes and perhaps, ad hominem, appeal to ignorance, explanations of why there is no evidence, misapplied burden of proof and irrelevant facts.

Which is usually exactly what they accuse you of!
 
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