What does G.I. stand for?

Cicero – you link to an excellent summary of the evidence there – and I agree on that basis and from the references I’ve now looked up that Eugene must have been the primary reason for the application of “Jeep” to small capable military vehicles. BUT contrary to what you’ve said further up, it is clear even just from Liberman’s book that this goes further back than “the” Jeep – that other vehicles, post-Popeye but pre-M38, also bore the name. E.g. the oldest written source for the Eugene story from Life Magazine, 1941. Therein, the claim is not that the Eugene character gave his name to THE Jeep, it’s that following the cartoon’s first publication, “Jeep” was used to describe ANY “particularly satisfactory piece of equipment”. The editor of Life writes that;

It has been applied to reconnaissance command cars, light tanks, the ¼-ton reconnaissance car and to anti-aircraft directors.

The Glossary of Army Slang (1941) says;

JEEP. A term applied to bantam cars, and occasionally to other motor vehicles; in the Air Corps, the Link trainer; in the Armored Force, the 11/2 ton command car. See peep.

JUMPING JEEP. Autogiro with jump take-off.

PEEP (SON OF A JEEP). Bantam car; used in organizations in which jeep is applied to larger vehicles.

One author claims that other manufacturers of similarly sized and purposed vehicles even complained about Willys' use of the name as a de facto trademark – though only successfully as far as the design of the vehicle was concerned – not the name. Note that the same author does also cite a WW1 origin for "Jeep" with reference to certain vehicles (including aircraft). This is supported by the Army Slang book I quote above and online sources like this one, but NOT as far back as that – only post-Eugene.

There's more in American Speech, first Vol.37, No.1 -

There is no doubt that the name jeep for this car <the old command car> came from the almost omnipotent dog which appeared in Elzie Crisler Segar's comic strip 'Popeye' in the thirties (March 16, 1936, according to American Speech).' The New York Times Magazine of July 2, i944,2 reports the term jeep to have first been applied on February 22, I941, to the command and reconnaissance car. Those of us in uniform and on maneuvers during the summer and fall of 1941 referred to that car as a jeep. A smaller car, a '-ton 4 by 4 vehicle, made its first dramatic appearance during the summer of 1941 but was not in common issue to the troops till at least the winter of 1941-42, at which time some units had both types of vehicle. Those of us who were overseas in January of 1942 used jeep for the larger car, as we had for a year, and peep for the smaller one. It was a natural selection of terms to indicate similarity of function and capability but difference in size (like dog and bird). Since the first concentration of overseas troops (including the 754th Tank Battalion) was in New Caledonia in the South Pacific, it is likely that the term peep originated there.

There's more from the same journal (Feb 1943 issue - Vol 18 No 1) which confirms the Segar "Eugene" origin. Interestingly URL="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ccwYzE4w9kIC&pg=PA119&dq=bantam+jeep+federal+trade+commission&lr="]American Notes and Queries[/URL] deride Eugene as a folk (i.e. incorrect) etymology, which when taken at face value, sans evidence, is understandable. We should bear in mind that despite the multiple sources and plausible etymology, a lot of it is just assertion and opinion. This is the hazard of the subject of course.

There's yet another confirming article in American Speech (ARMY SPEECH IN EUROPEAN THEATER, Vol. 21, No. 4 (Dec., 1946), in which the author (as others have) says that he hasn't heard of "GP". This is because (as we now know) it's not an Army designation, and never did stand for "General Purpose" - it's most likely a reference to the manufacturer's designation for "Government contract, 80in wheelbase reconnaissance car" (see here). The “GP” false etymology is itself interesting, as it would appear to go right back to the earliest days of the Jeep, if McCloskey’s letter to American Queries is anything to go by. He describes those receiving the vehicles making the assumption/speculation (or even joke) that the “GP” designation referred to the nickname. They wouldn’t recognise it as a military designation, so it makes sense they’d assume something like that (whereas it appears GP was a Ford designation – see further down). It’s possible, even likely that this may have helped the Jeep get the monopoly on its nickname in the years since then – giving it greater claim to the nickname than other vehicles (as would its iconic design, capabilities, and unique service history in a world war). This is by the by though.

Anecdotal standard of evidence aside, Eugene the Jeep makes the most sense as distinct from the parallel and/or pejorative sense of the word that Gumboot mentioned (via Hogan). Liberman makes a convincing case for the pejorative “Jeep” having little if anything to do with the term as applied to military vehicles. And supporting this absence of evidence somewhat, I could find only one civilian instance of usage (using Google, JSTOR, openlibrary.org etc) that does parallel this other form of the word:

"Whitman College Slang" in American Speech, Vol. 18, No. 2 (Apr., 1943).

JEEP. To complain, grumble; or a complaint.

It may be that the pejorative form of “jeep” has its own lost etymological origins the civilian sphere, whilst “Jeep” derives from what was essentially the catchphrase of the popular diminutive but magical cartoon character. So I think it’s clear that “THE” Jeep was actually part of a naming tradition as Gumboot suggests (albeit a much more recent and separate one), but one started afresh by Segar and Eugene the Jeep (post 1936), as Cicero says.
 
I recall a joke about a girl who falls pregnant on a first date with a US soldier. She is unable to identify him, but knows his initials were "G.I." I remember thinking, in a very idle moment, that this did not "feel" right, if the initials stood for "General Infantryman", as I firmly (until this week) , believed they did. If the initials were stamped on clothing, the joke would make more sense.
How old the joke is I don't know, but I supposed it to be WW2 vintage.
 
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Cicero – you link to an excellent summary of the evidence there – and I agree on that basis and from the references I’ve now looked up that Eugene must have been the primary reason for the application of “Jeep” to small capable military vehicles. BUT contrary to what you’ve said further up, it is clear even just from Liberman’s book that this goes further back than “the” Jeep – that other vehicles, post-Popeye but pre-M38, also bore the name. E.g. the oldest written source for the Eugene story from Life Magazine, 1941. Therein, the claim is not that the Eugene character gave his name to THE Jeep, it’s that following the cartoon’s first publication, “Jeep” was used to describe ANY “particularly satisfactory piece of equipment”. The editor of Life writes that;

So I think it’s clear that “THE” Jeep was actually part of a naming tradition as Gumboot suggests (albeit a much more recent and separate one), but one started afresh by Segar and Eugene the Jeep (post 1936), as Cicero says.


My iniital post on the subject in this thread was:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4291873#post4291873

Gumboot challenged this and was proved wrong. My post had nothing to do with the origin of the word "jeep" and only concerned how the WWII Bantam/Willys/Ford M38 became known as the "JEEP." The 1930's and early 1940's articles I posted were proof that this old WWI service term was never applied to, nor the inspiration for, this vehicle.
 
I don't know if my Army service means I am to be believed but it stands for Government Issue.
 
Cicero would cling to his assertion of being right even if you could resurrect the originator of the term and get the information from him directly. It's what he does; he latches onto a position and mindlessly defends it against all counter evidence, forever, presumably out of a fear that being proved wrong on even a totally inconsequential thing will mean he's wrong on everything else, too.
 
You guys are over analyzing something that I thought was a joke. It's not funny to me when two government issues get in a fist fight and both get charged with destruction of government property(unless one was wearing leather gloves).
 
I don't know if my Army service means I am to be believed but it stands for Government Issue.

Thank you, you non-commissioned, unappreciated,....love of my life! I can't believe it's even a question. PEOPLE! Don't take a break to learn without realizing why you have even been given the time to stop and learn! These government issues are praying we get it right.
 
I think it's only "jarhead" that's used for US Marines, not "jughead".
I've also heard:

"Mud marines" and "Fly fly boys" (both according to John Wayne in
"The Flying Leathernecks" :) )

OK let's clear this all up:

Army: grunts
Marines: jarheads
Navy: squids
Air Force: fly boys

GI: Gov't Issue


You're welcome :cool:
 
Cicero would cling to his assertion of being right even if you could resurrect the originator of the term and get the information from him directly. It's what he does; he latches onto a position and mindlessly defends it against all counter evidence, forever, presumably out of a fear that being proved wrong on even a totally inconsequential thing will mean he's wrong on everything else, too.

We don't need to resurrect him as his words are already documented and they run contrary to Gumboot's reasoning.

Just because the positions I latch onto are anathema to your liberal existence, apparently even in the case of the "JEEP" and "G.I.," is no cause for despair.
 
If the vehicle was named after a cartoon character or the exclamation "jeepers creepers", then that doesn't really answer the question of where "jeep" came from. It just takes it back one step, so the next question has to be "Why in the world would a character be called that" or "Why in the world would people exclaim that"...
 
If the vehicle was named after a cartoon character or the exclamation "jeepers creepers", then that doesn't really answer the question of where "jeep" came from. It just takes it back one step, so the next question has to be "Why in the world would a character be called that" or "Why in the world would people exclaim that"...

Why did Bugs Bunny say "What's up Doc?" The fact that it became a catch phrase after the Warner Brothers cartoon character popularized it may not mean that nobody ever uttered that phrase before, but it will always be associated with that character. Does finding out who was the first person to say "What's up Doc?", or why they would say it, change this dynamic?

The question was not where does "jeep" come from, but how did it become associated with the M38.
 
I'm at a loss to see why Cicero is wrong here. Reading back through the exchange, even more so. A lot of what Gumboot said is correct, but he rejects the Eugene etymology and gives credence to a continuity with the pejorative form of "Jeep" too readily (on both counts) from what I've seen, and this is what Cicero was taking issue with. I had thought that he (Cicero) was claiming that Jeep was unique to the Ford/Willys car, but I see now that this was just in the later post where he says;

...never stuck to any military person, place or thing until the Popeye cartoon character Eugene The Jeep came on the scene at the time the M38 was put into service...

In fact he'd already acknowledged a pre-Willys but post-Eugene origin for the term.

So how is he wrong?

ETA - as for where "jeep" as a catchphrase came from... it came from Elzie Segar as a cute noise for a strange creature to make. It's the noise he imagined it might make, written down so that those reading the cartoon would understand the noise he was imagine. This is wholly irrelevant to how it seems to have got attached to the Jeep vehicle.
 
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when the draft went into effect.new troops had to put the new duties.such as kitchen police.IE.KP.one duty was scrubboing the garbadge can insid and out.on the bottom of the garbadge can was and still is stamped G.I. (galvanized iron.)the troops thought iven the garbadge can were government issue.no ware can you find the government issue.its all dept. of defence..
 
the term "you have to take his ****,or you dont have to take his ****"came from the british soldier.the british officer had an enlisted soldier to bork for him.His Bat man.the officer would give him chits coupons to buy items from the NAFFIE.the british eqivlent of our BX.hence if you work for and officer you took his chits.the enlisted man was often spoke with a cokney accent.chits sounded like *****.hence you wofor him you have to take **** from him.
 
when the draft went into effect.new troops had to put the new duties.such as kitchen police.IE.KP.one duty was scrubboing the garbadge can insid and out.on the bottom of the garbadge can was and still is stamped G.I. (galvanized iron.)the troops thought iven the garbadge can were government issue.no ware can you find the government issue.its all dept. of defence..

Ah, The Department of Defense didn't even exist until 1947. Before that is was called the Department of War. But what does this have to do with why American troops were called G.I's? Why would anyone refer to a solder as "galvanized iron?"
 
I always thought that the US term for kitchen duty was "KP" (Kitchen Patrol), in the UK armed forces it was always called (AFAIK) "jankers".

In some old WW11 movies, I've heard some soldiers (or maybe marines) call themselves something like "Jyrene" (sp?) or some such, where does that come from?
KP was initals for kitchen police.in military you police up .hence you police up the kitchen,police the area,as a twenty one year and forty days of military i had to police up more than i care to remember.
 
Ah, The Department of Defense didn't even exist until 1947. Before that is was called the Department of War. But what does this have to do with why American troops were called G.I's? Why would anyone refer to a solder as "galvanized iron?"
the new troops that pulled Kp and saw themselves on the garbadge can everything was GI government issue so hence they were gi too.the civilians thought of us as GI JOE.we thought of us as troops.
 
OK let's clear this all up:

Army: grunts
Marines: jarheads
Navy: squids
Air Force: fly boys

GI: Gov't Issue


You're welcome :cool:
when John Wayne plays the hero .I get sick.durring ww2 he got at least two derferment from the draft.mud marines came from ww1 when the marines served in the trenches.jarhead came from the dress (formal)cap that was worn ..as the saying goes,"you can always tell a marine,but you cant tell them much" .
 
Navy: squids

When I was in the US Army, the term was "Swabbies".

A couple of ex Navy people I know say that they classify Sailors in three sections:

"Squids" someone on a suface vessel
"Dolphins" Someone on a Submarine.
"Airdales" someone who flies or works in Naval Aviation.

And we had a couple of terms for the United States Marine Corps: "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children" or "Uncle Sam's Mouldy Crouch".

ANd although we did not do so in the presence of officers, we borrowed a term the Marines use for West Point: "That freaking Boy's School On the Hudson".
 

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