Here is one rescue worker who was "in on it"

[WildCat]

How do you debunk Captain Dennis Tardio's statement:

How do you debunk this statement RedIbis?

It seemed as if the tree had collided with a swarm of sea anemones.

Did the tree really collide with a swarm of sea anemones?

 

[WildCat]

It was as if they had eight players on the court.

Did the Celtics have 8 men on the court RedIbis?

It was as if he had spent three seasons being flogged by a sockful of nickels

Was Lou Piniella really flogged with a sock full of nickels when he managed Tampa Bay?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I'm just trying to picture this guy being in on it. "OK workers, we're going to demolish the building around such and such time, who wants to volunteer to be a recue worker there during the collapse?" (room full of hands go up 'me me me me!!'

 

[mrbaracuda]

Are RedIbis' capabilites to comprehend really just so .. so.. I can't even find a word for it! _Restricted?
We might never know.

What I know though is that I am very fond of the SUB and SUP tags!

^:D_:D^:D_:D^:D_:D^:D_:D

 

[1337m4n]

How do you debunk Captain Dennis Tardio's statement:

"I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, fromthe top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom. I stand in amazement. I can't believe what I am seeing. This building is coming down" (Report from Ground Zero, Penguin 2002)

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Random explosions in the preceding 45 minutes don't count, for obvious reasons. Sounds that could be described as a series of explosions during the collapse don't count, also for obvious reasons.

How do you debunk Captain Dennis Tardio's statement:

"I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, fromthe top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom. I stand in amazement. I can't believe what I am seeing. This building is coming down" (Report from Ground Zero, Penguin 2002)

So, RedIbis, you subscribe to the idea that there were explosives placed on every floor, detonated sequentially from top to bottom...?

 

[Good Lt]

Stop grasping at straws. He said that, amongst other things, on the CNN video. Nobody has spliced anything. If you want to claim they have then provide proof.

As soon as you produce evidence of explosives planted in WTC7.

You're gonna have a hard time with that one. Because there isn't any.

Stop grasping at straws and answer this question:

Was WTC7 demolished by explosives?

 

[pomeroo]

How do you debunk Captain Dennis Tardio's statement:

"I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, fromthe top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom. I stand in amazement. I can't believe what I am seeing. This building is coming down" (Report from Ground Zero, Penguin 2002)

That's a tough one, Red. So, he says that it's as if the building is being imploded from the top floor down. Well, that is not how it's done. What possible benefits might accrue from reversing the procedures demolition professionals normally follow is impossible to guess. I imagine that only an ignorant conspiracy liar (is there any other kind?) could explain it. And he would, of course, explain it incorrectly.

From the context, the boom, boom, boom is, obviously, each floor impacting on the one below, but you already knew that. I should commend you on a nice attempt at deception, but the truth is, it was embarrassingly feeble.

We are a left with a Captain Tardio who doesn't swallow the nonsense fabricated by conspiracy liars. He says he heard something blow up in the fires and then he heard the floors--dare I say it?--pancaking.

Sorry. The bad guys lose again.

 

[johnny karate]

How do you debunk Captain Dennis Tardio's statement:

"I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, fromthe top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom. I stand in amazement. I can't believe what I am seeing. This building is coming down" (Report from Ground Zero, Penguin 2002)

Red's lack of ability to grasp a similie aside, the word I bolded above should also be noted. Captain Tardio didn't hear a series of explosions, he heard a single explosion.

The fail is strong in this one.

 

[pomeroo]

Red's lack of ability to grasp a similie aside, the word I bolded above should also be noted. Captain Tardio didn't hear a series of explosions, he heard a single explosion.

The fail is strong in this one.

WTC 7 has proved to be the fantasy movement's Waterloo.

 

[SDC]

Now that I've started noticing reports, in many areas, in which people say something was like an explosion, I can't seem to avoid them. It's a very common image; I guess people use it to describe their impression because everyone, nowadays, has some idea of what an explosion might sound like. (Probably an incorrect one, from TV and movies, but still.) My favorite was in my local (Hudson Valley) newspaper, in which a car went out of control and rammed into a storefront -- a bakery I think. Witnesses said it seemed like an explosion.

Must have been the yeast.

 

[DavidJames]

Red's lack of ability to grasp a similie aside....

I suspect Red is quite capable of grasping what a simile is.

In fact, I suspect he would nod knowingly when I say he is playing you guys like a violin. Keep feeding the trolls...

 

[Elizabeth I]

Yes, judging by how tornado survivors describe their experiences, there are an awful lot of runaway locomotives and gigantic bolts of torn cloth out there.

 

[RedIbis]

Wow, that was some great debunking. How about this one:

FF Edward Cachia
"[W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down."

Oh I know, it's what he originally thought. Go back to your local detective and ask him/her which interview is the most valuable, the one just after the event, or what the eyewitnesses concludes at a later date.

 

[chillzero]

Wow, that was some great debunking. How about this one:

FF Edward Cachia
"[W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down."

Oh I know, it's what he originally thought.

Partly that ... partly the bolded part... again.

Why haven't you answered the questions put to you above by some responding to your last post?

Such as :

So, RedIbis, you subscribe to the idea that there were explosives placed on every floor, detonated sequentially from top to bottom...?

or

So it starts collapsing and then he hears "boom boom boom" as the floors collapse? Really? That's it?

 

[RedIbis]

Partly that ... partly the bolded part... again.

Why haven't you answered the questions put to you above by some responding to your last post?

Such as :


or

How do you expect people to describe what they saw? He was in no more of a position to say it was explosive charges as he was to say it wasn't.

In other words, he described what he experienced. I suppose it's the experts on jref who will decide why he described what he did.

 

[RedIbis]

FF Craig Carlsen:
[Y]ou just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions.... We then realized the building started to come down."

No "like" but "there were" [...] explosions"

 

[applecorped]

You are being purposefully obtuse. You know this proves nothing. Give it up already.

 

[chillzero]

How do you expect people to describe what they saw?

As best they can given the extremely difficult circumstances of the day. Your point?

He was in no more of a position to say it was explosive charges as he was to say it wasn't.

I agree. Why are you assuming his words are evidence of demolition?

In other words, he described what he experienced. I suppose it's the experts on jref who will decide why he described what he did.

'Why' should be easy to anyone who remembers that day and watched it unfold on that day. It was hectic, frightening, confusing... and that's only from watching from the comfort of the UK. Being there at the time, I cant imagine how anyone expects people's comments at the time, and traumatic memories since then, to be a completely 100% accurate determination of events. Each person saw and experienced a tiny amount of what happened. Their being there does not qualify them immediately on matters that they know are outside their remit any other day.

People use similes and colourful, exaggerated descriptions to try and convey the impact of what they witnessed. That does not mean it should be held up as damning evidence of something that all other evidence overwhelmingly refutes.

 

[chillzero]

FF Craig Carlsen:
[Y]ou just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions.... We then realized the building started to come down."

No "like" but "there were" [...] explosions"

Yeah.. and?

Nobody here denies there were explosions. Good grief.