Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

[pavel_do]

How many controlled tests like the one you intend to do with the JREF have you done? I'm guessing: None.

The hubris, pardon: confidence of would-be applicants before a test is well documented, pavel_do.
Their cockiness (even of those with manners) is usually proportional to the spectacularity of their failure.
The loudness of their voices (comparable to the volume of their posts) is also usually proportional to the probability of their impromptu disappearance.



Allow me one more guess, pavel_do. If you want, you may call it a prediction: You will not agree to a controlled test for the JREF Challenge.

Ill prove your prediction is wrong.. i will agree with test as long as it reasonable.. and you undarstand what i mean, for now its useles to as we say pore water from one empte busket to another.. well see, ill get academic whitneses, ill record on video that test and than we`ll see what next.. confidence that you call cockiness, i think you should be confident if you apply here what is your price if you dont bealive in yourself... any way only time will tell whos wright and whos wrong. Ill keep you posted about all my steps and all negotiations about tests etc.. for now.. I wish every one a nice Xmass days.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

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i will agree with test as long as it reasonable..
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You should expect the test to eliminate all possibilities of cheating.
You should expect the test to ensure that you have to do exactly what you claim to be able to do for passing it and moving on to the next stage.
Hence, you should expect the test to be reasonable.

But only to those who apply logic and, you guessed it: reason.



From the information I have gathered on you so far, experience suggests pretty much you intend to weasel your way through. Absolutely no offense intended. Therefore, once you realise that this won't bear any fruit, you will start evasions, you will donne excuses and/or create conditions that can't be catered to in proper controlled test.
My guess of no preliminary test ever happening still stands.

 

[Moochie]

If ill not pass 1 time ill try 2 if not 2nd.. 3d not more. I am sure even if ill fail in a way 1st time it will be significant that i can do it.. i am sure!!! I know i can see things and i know it can be proved! we`ll see any way..the time will kindly show us..

regarding GzuzKryzt
How many failures in controlled tests would it take for you to admit you do not have the claimed ability?

I have ability, and i will prove it, as long as test will be reasonable, i can see and perform results that will be more than expected odds etc.. but if thay will want from me to perform it 10 times in range or put me in glas box with 100 people around and some toehr things its obviesly can affect results.. but any way.. as i can see from rules, eventhou its strict but there is a way to make it as simple and easy as it possible for the claiment.. But still.. "simple" is diffrent for all of us.. thay might think its simple to perform it in one way and for me that way is not simple at all...like, thay say there is NO WAY my friend will be in same room to 'send" me images of the cards... WHY?? is there any facts that it can be done from difrent rooms same as from same when the "sender" sit opposite you..?? if no one ever proved it..?? from what is it taken?? etc... like as thay say there is ways to cheat, but that is there job to make sure no cheatings that why thay there?? my covered eyes and ears and no fisical contact with "sender" no vizual, sound or any sighns can be seen, it should be silent.. THAT is not good enough for them.. I think you undarstand my point? i hope so at least, that regard to the actual test as it should be as simple and reasonable as it possible for me,.. as what ever who says, stress its not the greatest help for performance...
any way we`ll see.. what elts can i say, ill keep everyone posted about all that happaning and test conditions and negotiations of the protocol.

Sorry to be late into this conversation.

To me, my skeptic's "third ear" burned bright red when I first read of your intention to work with a friend. I am just as uncomprehending of why you should require this as you seem to be of why (working with a friend in the same room) will not be allowed.

The test, after all, is of the claim you make about your ability. You are not making a claim that the two of you have paranormal abilities -- which is the implication of what you have said so far. If your friend has the ability to "transmit" what is in her/his mind to another person, then let her/him undertake the test separately, at another time.

When it comes to evidence, we all know that there is none for the claim that anyone can "telepathically" transmit anything to anyone, whether the two parties are in the same room or in different countries. I have seen a television program in which a person claimed to be able to remotely see things that are in another country. Of course he was not able to prove it. I am puzzled by why you are making an issue out of this. Are you laying the groundwork for an eventual "out" should your "ability" remain unproven?

If you have the ability you claim to have, then why can't you "see" the contents of the envelope handed to you by an independent party?

M.

 

[pavel_do]

If you have the ability you claim to have, then why can't you "see" the contents of the envelope handed to you by an independent party?

I GOT YOUR POINT.. BUT REGARDING THE INDEPENDENT PARTY... well..let say 1000.000$ is money thet not given that easy.. let say.. i am sort of catching lepepathically simbels-colors of the card.. I can be sure that my friend, will be thinking about exact card that he see infront of him.. i am not sure that the person who will be chousen by JREF will be same honnest and will not confuse me in any way..by thinking wrong color or something.. as 1.000.000 that is allot of money to give a way... I hope you undarstand now my point.. why it had to be friend?? cause we grove up together and i trust hem more then to some one elts and its in a way for me would be more comfortable to try and "read" his mind than a complite stranger.. if you undarstand what i mean..??? Still at the moment i am practising on my own if ill not get same results ill apply then that i can "pic up" particular persons mind or what ever.. BUT what ever the final claim and protocol will be i am not steping out. In a few weeks aftre new year hollidays will be over ill got o University and will try to speak to some one from Psychology department to soem academics, to perform them my things, as ill need whitnessings form them for entering the chalange.. also will speak to them maybe we`ll figure out better way to perform what i can do, as only last week i read that in Duce Univercity there was a research for many years and thay done many tipes of test including using of the 5 cards with just an animals on it ets.. What ever ill try to finf the most sutable and easyest way to perform as not to complicate anything as it is complicated enough..plus then more easy it is then less rules and complications will be in protocol i gues.. AS If ill claim i can read cards one by one on the table what ever what ever.. than no need to make it in differetn rooms,.. make my eyes blind and plug my ears.. ( thou still ill do so to iluminate distructions for me). Ill do my best to perform it and ill do it!

 

[GzuzKryzt]

If you have the ability you claim to have, then why can't you "see" the contents of the envelope handed to you by an independent party?

I GOT YOUR POINT.. BUT REGARDING THE INDEPENDENT PARTY... well..let say 1000.000$ is money thet not given that easy.. let say.. i am sort of catching lepepathically simbels-colors of the card.. I can be sure that my friend, will be thinking about exact card that he see infront of him.. i am not sure that the person who will be chousen by JREF will be same honnest and will not confuse me in any way..by thinking wrong color or something.. as 1.000.000 that is allot of money to give a way... I hope you undarstand now my point.. why it had to be friend?? cause we grove up together and i trust hem more then to some one elts and its in a way for me would be more comfortable to try and "read" his mind than a complite stranger.. if you undarstand what i mean..??? Still at the moment i am practising on my own if ill not get same results ill apply then that i can "pic up" particular persons mind or what ever.. BUT what ever the final claim and protocol will be i am not steping out. In a few weeks aftre new year hollidays will be over ill got o University and will try to speak to some one from Psychology department to soem academics, to perform them my things, as ill need whitnessings form them for entering the chalange.. also will speak to them maybe we`ll figure out better way to perform what i can do, as only last week i read that in Duce Univercity there was a research for many years and thay done many tipes of test including using of the 5 cards with just an animals on it ets.. What ever ill try to finf the most sutable and easyest way to perform as not to complicate anything as it is complicated enough..plus then more easy it is then less rules and complications will be in protocol i gues.. AS If ill claim i can read cards one by one on the table what ever what ever.. than no need to make it in differetn rooms,.. make my eyes blind and plug my ears.. ( thou still ill do so to iluminate distructions for me). Ill do my best to perform it and ill do it!

I understand and support your need to bring a friend, pavel_do. Anyone remembering e.g. the Paul Carey (naughtyrasputin) protocol negotiations should come to the same conclusion.

If I haven't done it before, pavel_do, I suggest you read up on the Achau Nguyen protocol. It's simple, thorough and it seems to eliminate cheating pretty well.

Also, Achau Nguyen has become somewhat of a benchmark for JREF Challenge applicants. Even "Bone Cancer" KRAMER liked him.

 

[Moochie]

If you have the ability you claim to have, then why can't you "see" the contents of the envelope handed to you by an independent party?

I GOT YOUR POINT.. BUT REGARDING THE INDEPENDENT PARTY... well..let say 1000.000$ is money thet not given that easy.. let say.. i am sort of catching lepepathically simbels-colors of the card.. I can be sure that my friend, will be thinking about exact card that he see infront of him.. i am not sure that the person who will be chousen by JREF will be same honnest and will not confuse me in any way..by thinking wrong color or something.. as 1.000.000 that is allot of money to give a way... I hope you undarstand now my point.. why it had to be friend?? cause we grove up together and i trust hem more then to some one elts and its in a way for me would be more comfortable to try and "read" his mind than a complite stranger.. if you undarstand what i mean..??? Still at the moment i am practising on my own if ill not get same results ill apply then that i can "pic up" particular persons mind or what ever.. BUT what ever the final claim and protocol will be i am not steping out. In a few weeks aftre new year hollidays will be over ill got o University and will try to speak to some one from Psychology department to soem academics, to perform them my things, as ill need whitnessings form them for entering the chalange.. also will speak to them maybe we`ll figure out better way to perform what i can do, as only last week i read that in Duce Univercity there was a research for many years and thay done many tipes of test including using of the 5 cards with just an animals on it ets.. What ever ill try to finf the most sutable and easyest way to perform as not to complicate anything as it is complicated enough..plus then more easy it is then less rules and complications will be in protocol i gues.. AS If ill claim i can read cards one by one on the table what ever what ever.. than no need to make it in differetn rooms,.. make my eyes blind and plug my ears.. ( thou still ill do so to iluminate distructions for me). Ill do my best to perform it and ill do it!

You have not understood me. I wasn't recommending that anyone communicates with you "telepathically," but that an independent person -- someone agreeable to all concerned, hand you a sealed envelope containing a card which you then "read" without opening the envelope. This independent person would have no idea of the contents of the envelope until it is opened after the test. In other words, this person would play no actual part in testing your claimed ability, but would just hand you the sealed envelopes.

Again, I am assuming that it is your ability you wish to be tested on, not anyone else's.

If you want to include a third party as part of your team, then that would be a test of two "abilities" -- your friend's ability to transmit data telepathically, and your ability to receive that transmission. Do you see my point? In my opinion, that represents an entirely different set of circumstances than I had thought you were describing.

You might clarify this some more to those of us who have legitimate questions.

M.

 

[pavel_do]

You have not understood me. I wasn't recommending that anyone communicates with you "telepathically," but that an independent person -- someone agreeable to all concerned, hand you a sealed envelope containing a card which you then "read" without opening the envelope. This independent person would have no idea of the contents of the envelope until it is opened after the test. In other words, this person would play no actual part in testing your claimed ability, but would just hand you the sealed envelopes.

Again, I am assuming that it is your ability you wish to be tested on, not anyone else's.

If you want to include a third party as part of your team, then that would be a test of two "abilities" -- your friend's ability to transmit data telepathically, and your ability to receive that transmission. Do you see my point? In my opinion, that represents an entirely different set of circumstances than I had thought you were describing.

You might clarify this some more to those of us who have legitimate questions.

M.

well i undarstood you, and that is a good idea with sealed envelope, than it should be 25 envelopes or 50 (25 -50cards).. but would be better if envelope would be opne after my gues, or my gues would be writen on top of the envelope and remaine in same room and then opened infront of all of us...

regarding my friend to be involved as i explaned it is more as a person that i feel comfortable with and trust and as a support as well.. still its my claim and my abiliti to be tested...

 

[pavel_do]

I understand and support your need to bring a friend, pavel_do. Anyone remembering e.g. the Paul Carey (naughtyrasputin) protocol negotiations should come to the same conclusion.

If I haven't done it before, pavel_do, I suggest you read up on the Achau Nguyen protocol. It's simple, thorough and it seems to eliminate cheating pretty well.

Also, Achau Nguyen has become somewhat of a benchmark for JREF Challenge applicants. Even "Bone Cancer" KRAMER liked him.

I read this test protocol of Achau Nguyen i am finding it fair and good..

and read Paul Carey trade as well... i have ni comments about it.. but.. Person dont know how to addmit his wrong...

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I read this test protocol of Achau Nguyen i am finding it fair and good..
...

Have you considered submitting said test proposal to the JREF? It should speed up your protocol negotiations quite nicely.

There are some people in this forum who will get you hitched with IIG in no time. If you are serious, I'll contact them for you to get things started.

 

[Moochie]

well i undarstood you, and that is a good idea with sealed envelope, than it should be 25 envelopes or 50 (25 -50cards).. but would be better if envelope would be opne after my gues, or my gues would be writen on top of the envelope and remaine in same room and then opened infront of all of us...

regarding my friend to be involved as i explaned it is more as a person that i feel comfortable with and trust and as a support as well.. still its my claim and my abiliti to be tested...

I am almost certain that no one would object to your friend being present during the test as a nonparticipatory observer. As such, he/she would have no part in the conduct of the test.

M.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I am almost certain that no one would object to your friend being present during the test as a nonparticipatory observer. As such, he/she would have no part in the conduct of the test.

M.

I think I understand your points, Moochie.

However, in the Achau Nguyen test the subject was allowed to bring his own receiver. The same was intended for the Paul Carey and Ian Conger tests.

 

[Moochie]

I think I understand your points, Moochie.

However, in the Achau Nguyen test the subject was allowed to bring his own receiver. The same was intended for the Paul Carey and Ian Conger tests.

Fair enough. As long as a fair protocol can be devised I suppose it doesn't matter all that much. In any case, the present applicant needs to clearly explain what he will do and with whom he will do it. Still looks like a four-hander to me, though.

M.

 

[pavel_do]

Have you considered submitting said test proposal to the JREF? It should speed up your protocol negotiations quite nicely.

There are some people in this forum who will get you hitched with IIG in no time. If you are serious, I'll contact them for you to get things started.

what is IIG??

 

[GzuzKryzt]

what is IIG??

Sorry, bad screwup on my part.
I meant to say Centre For Inquiry West.

 

[pavel_do]

hello again...

Sorry, bad screwup on my part.
I meant to say Centre For Inquiry West.

Ok,.. what exactly you can do and they can do?
hi guys, long time i wasn't here... still in to idea to get a million i am back to states and will be back to all of it while i am here,... so i will get academics witnessing and the rest that need while i am here for the tests and other things.
I have anew question to JREF, when i was in US last time, i visited one Medical center where they research cancer cells etc.. there was a few tips of cancer cells, and for "fun" out of curiosity for one lady who work there, i "played" for 10 min with 2 tips of cells.. in 1 week they counted cells,, the "jar" with cells that i didn't touched and the other had difference.. my grow 30% less for a week time.. that is significant, and chance for that it happen by chance is 1 % only... so.. would it be a claim?? if i go in to it deeper?? cause it would make it all easier.. for everything..there will be medical center.. cells.. doctors who will watch them and count them what ever.. to prove that i was able to reduce cancer growth..?? I did it for 10 min only and once.. i could do it for 3 day...or what ever.... to see what happens.. if it is can be considered as a claim..?? can it be????

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Ok,.. what exactly you can do and they can do?
hi guys, long time i wasn't here... still in to idea to get a million i am back to states and will be back to all of it while i am here,... so i will get academics witnessing and the rest that need while i am here for the tests and other things.
I have anew question to JREF, when i was in US last time, i visited one Medical center where they research cancer cells etc.. there was a few tips of cancer cells, and for "fun" out of curiosity for one lady who work there, i "played" for 10 min with 2 tips of cells.. in 1 week they counted cells,, the "jar" with cells that i didn't touched and the other had difference.. my grow 30% less for a week time.. that is significant, and chance for that it happen by chance is 1 % only... so.. would it be a claim?? if i go in to it deeper?? cause it would make it all easier.. for everything..there will be medical center.. cells.. doctors who will watch them and count them what ever.. to prove that i was able to reduce cancer growth..?? I did it for 10 min only and once.. i could do it for 3 day...or what ever.... to see what happens.. if it is can be considered as a claim..?? can it be????

Pavel_do, you said:

I read this test protocol of Achau Nguyen i am finding it fair and good..
...

My response to this was:

Have you considered submitting said test proposal to the JREF? It should speed up your protocol negotiations quite nicely.
...

After not responding to my inquiry you went silent for two solid months.

If you read the Achau Nguyen protocol properly you would have noticed that the Centre for Inquiry West (CFI) was the organisation which ran the test. That is what they can do.

I suggest you focus on one claim. Then you submit a proper application. You seemed to be bent on demonstrating your claimed telepathy.



To avoid miscommunication, I also suggest you use a spell checker.



P.S: You say (bolded parts):

...i am back to states and will be back to all of it while i am here,... so i will get academics witnessing and the rest that need while i am here for the tests and other things.
...

Have you already scheduled a test with an institution? Which one?

 

[Czarcasm]

I have anew question to JREF, when i was in US last time, i visited one Medical center where they research cancer cells etc.. there was a few tips of cancer cells, and for "fun" out of curiosity for one lady who work there, i "played" for 10 min with 2 tips of cells.. in 1 week they counted cells,, the "jar" with cells that i didn't touched and the other had difference.. my grow 30% less for a week time..

1. Which medical center was this?
2. What is the name of the lady that you did this for?
3. Why did this medical center allow you to mess around in their lab and ruin their test samples?
4. The next time you make claims of this sort, could you please provide real names of peoples and places?

 

[pavel_do]

1. Which medical center was this?
2. What is the name of the lady that you did this for?
3. Why did this medical center allow you to mess around in their lab and ruin their test samples?
4. The next time you make claims of this sort, could you please provide real names of peoples and places?

1 that is one of medical centers in US that has lab for this kind of research and they do research in cancer.

2. The lady is my friend and she workes there do research inc ancer biology.

3.I DIDNT MESSED AROUND< and DIDNT RUINED ANY TESTS!

4.There will be a name and address and all that needed if that can be concidered as a claim, still suppose JREF would want there LAB or who ever work with them..

here is the description of what was done in lab, from the Lady that did it for me.

DU145 and LNCaP cell lines are one of the most studied human epithelial prostate cancer cell line that have been established from a brain metastases and lymph node metastasis of prostate cancer, respectively and are highly aggressive. Du145 or LNCaP cell were plated at 1x104 cells per 35mm dishes in triplicate for each treatment. Cells were grown (37ºC,5% CO2) for 48hr and then treatment has been applied. After treatment cells were placed back in the incubator and grown until either of the treatments reached about 90% confluence and counted using trypan blue exclusion growth assay.

For DU145 cells "Bad" treatment induced growth by 36% in comparison with control. This difference was statistically significant (for two-tailed t-test, p=0.0082). "BAd" treatment has no effect on growth of the DU145 cells. For LNCaP cells both treatments "good" and "bad" reduced number of viable cells, by 28% (p=0.01) and 31% (p=0.01), respectively.

 

[pavel_do]

Pavel_do, you said:



My response to this was:



After not responding to my inquiry you went silent for two solid months.

If you read the Achau Nguyen protocol properly you would have noticed that the Centre for Inquiry West (CFI) was the organisation which ran the test. That is what they can do.

I suggest you focus on one claim. Then you submit a proper application. You seemed to be bent on demonstrating your claimed telepathy.



To avoid miscommunication, I also suggest you use a spell checker.



P.S: You say (bolded parts):



Have you already scheduled a test with an institution? Which one?

SOrry for not writing for going silent for 2 month, had my own reasons, as we all know there is life to cope on daly basis..


regarding scheduled test and institution, Since it only today as Spring brake over i can arrange it all, i sent some letters but there was no reply but the aotomatic answer that due to spring brake no one at there work place at Univercity

 

[Czarcasm]

1 that is one of medical centers in US that has lab for this kind of research and they do research in cancer.

2. The lady is my friend and she workes there do research inc ancer biology.

3.I DIDNT MESSED AROUND< and DIDNT RUINED ANY TESTS!

4.There will be a name and address and all that needed if that can be concidered as a claim, still suppose JREF would want there LAB or who ever work with them..

here is the description of what was done in lab, from the Lady that did it for me.

DU145 and LNCaP cell lines are one of the most studied human epithelial prostate cancer cell line that have been established from a brain metastases and lymph node metastasis of prostate cancer, respectively and are highly aggressive. Du145 or LNCaP cell were plated at 1x104 cells per 35mm dishes in triplicate for each treatment. Cells were grown (37ºC,5% CO2) for 48hr and then treatment has been applied. After treatment cells were placed back in the incubator and grown until either of the treatments reached about 90% confluence and counted using trypan blue exclusion growth assay.

For DU145 cells "Bad" treatment induced growth by 36% in comparison with control. This difference was statistically significant (for two-tailed t-test, p=0.0082). "BAd" treatment has no effect on growth of the DU145 cells. For LNCaP cells both treatments "good" and "bad" reduced number of viable cells, by 28% (p=0.01) and 31% (p=0.01), respectively.

1. What "medical center"?
2. What is this lady's name?
3. Why did a medical center let you get any farther than the information desk? Are you not the "Unauthorized Personnel" that is supposedly prohibited from doing what you've claimed to have done?
4. Do you even realize that, until you provide real information that can be checked up on, what you've provided so far is not evidence of anything than an ability to tell stories?