[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

All the Jews must have gone to Israel and the Israelis have been grossly under reporting their population. There arent 7 million israelis..there are 15 million!!!!!

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Well I suppose since the Nazi's consider the Jews to be louse, they really were for delousing....

BTW MaGZ, you ever going to explain how come all those Nazi's went to gallows screaming with their dying breath about how there were no Nazi Death Camps and the whole things was a lie... oh, hang on, that's right, they didn't they all claimed they were ordered to do it... opps.
 
Mainstreammedia said:
There are different sources for the information that was leaked. According to some it was von Best, accordig to the Jewish Virtual Library, it was a German diplomat http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/denmark.html
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I'll get back to you on that one once I've gotten my hands on some history books and double checked it.

Blah-blah-blah... That doesn't change the fact that it's profiteering. Not that much different from the people that smuggle refugees to Europe from Africa. They have families too you know, and boats to replace, if the Spanish navy finds them!
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So the spanish navy have a tendency to sink refugee ships then?

There were almost no Danish resistance until 1943, and the resistance didn't get started for real until 1944. In other words, when it was pretty sure that Hitler would lose the war.
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You are overlooking the civil disobediance, slick. That started almost immidiately after the occupation on april 9th 1940.
The first resistance groups arrived in 1941. That same year, the British send over operatives to help coordinate the sabotages which started in early 1942.

And the people behind "Holger Danske" (1942) would take great offence in being called Communists.

The only resistancefighters before 1943 were a few groups of Danish Communists, who not only had to fear the Germans, but also the Danish police, who were more than willing to catch the "terrorists" as the Danish government and even in some examples, the danish press called the resistance fighters.
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As previously stated: Not all resistance groups or fighters were communists. Not even in the early days.
As for the rest:
Ever hear of "Censorship"? That is what they call it when an occupying force determines either directly or by applying pressure what is correct to print in the newspapers. The Illegal, and very popular, underground news told a different story. You are also overlooking the fact that the police were forced to cooperate with the germans by the danish government.

Trust me, Denmark has very little to be proud of, when it comes to WWII. Denmark cooperated so smoothly and willingly with NaziGermnay, that it wasn't until the end of 1944 I believe, that Denmark was accepted on the allied side.
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Right....So you would rather that Denmark had been totally anihilated in a "real" war with a more than 3 times as big army, right? OR that the danish jews had been deported already in the start of the occupation? Or the police arrested and what limited independence were left after the invasion had been totally lost?
Yes, the government cooperated with the germans to a certain degree. Yes, it created some problems for Denmark afterwards (I'll have to get back to you on the acceptance thing later), but the Government basically had two choices:
1: Cooperate, stay in a strongly limted position of power and protect what they could, including as many human lives as possible

or

2: Not cooperate and watch Denmark get "germanised" from day one.

Have you ever been in that position? Have you ever had to make that kind of decisions? No? Then stop sounding so ****ing houlier than thou.....

And trust you? No further than I can throw you. And thats not far.
 
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The_Fire said:
You are overlooking the civil disobediance, slick. That started almost immidiately after the occupation on april 9th 1940.
The first resistance groups arrived in 1941. That same year, the British send over operatives to help coordinate the sabotages which started in early 1942.
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Civil disobedience? What civil disobedience?!?
Here's an interesting stastic for you... Danish resistancefighters did 1500 acts of sabotage against the railroads. 95% of those happened between 1944 and 1945! In other words, after FOUR years of occupation, when everybody knew that Germany is going to lose the war... Why did they wait that long? Because you don't want to be on the losing side of the war, and for a long time it lokked like Germany might win. Denmark tried to bet on both horses, thats the unfortunate and despicable truth.
After the war, of course, everybody was a resistancefighter, and all of this got hushed up for 40 years.

Oh! and link:

http://www.faktalink.dk/publish.php?linknavn=besahele
 
MaGZ said:
If America lost WW II to the Japanese and the Japanese Army began to liberate the camps that held the Japanese families on the west coast, you would be able to film the same type of starvation and death that was found in the camps in Europe at the end of the war.
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So how many Japanese do you think died in the North American camps? Millions?

What an absolute Nazi puke you are.
 
CHF said:
So how many Japanese do you think died in the North American camps? Millions?

What an absolute Nazi puke you are.
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The Japanese internment camps were a disgraceful, racist, shameful incident in American history. There was never any justification for them apart from punishing hardworking Japanese farmers in California.

But there is simply no comparision to the camps where the Jews were held by the Germans. There is no comparision to the way Jews were rounded up by the Nazis and the way Japanese were rounded up by the Americans. To place the two side by side has the unfortunate effect of making the Japanese internment seem benign - which it wasn't.
 
I think the arguement being presented about the Danish situation verges almost on Strawman. The Dannes had the good fortune of being a bit of experiment for the Germans. IE they wanted to show the rest of Europe how cool it was to own by Germany.

It really wasn't till late 43 that the NAZIs bared there teeth and began cracking down. Doing things like disbanding the Dannish Parliment etc. Once the Dannes realised they could no longer get through by being a small target, they began to fight back.

Today we look back and wonder how the Dannes remained so neutral in all this. However until the disolution of the Parliment, there was no anti Jewish legislation nor had there been a real effort at the sort of round up experienced in the Netherlands etc
 
MG1962 said:
IE they wanted to show the rest of Europe how cool it was to own by Germany.
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Well, that's kind of the point, they were quite happy to go along with it. No particular shame in that, these days - lots of countries were German allies during WWII. We seem to be on pretty good terms with all of the ex-Soviet states which were on Germany's side during the war, it was a long time ago. The point is, it happened. I repeat, the Prime Minister of Denmark was even driven to apologise only two years ago.
 
westprog said:
The Japanese internment camps were a disgraceful, racist, shameful incident in American history.
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You're not alone. New Zealand did exactly the same, putting all Japs into concentration camps. One horrific incident - a massacre of 50 prisoners in 1943 - only came to light ten or so years ago. It had been hushed up for nearly half a century and the perpetrators of a massacre of defenceless prisoners walked away, scot-free.

Let he who is without sin...
 
Well, that's kind of the point, they were quite happy to go along with it. No particular shame in that, these days - lots of countries were German allies during WWII. We seem to be on pretty good terms with all of the ex-Soviet states which were on Germany's side during the war, it was a long time ago. The point is, it happened. I repeat, the Prime Minister of Denmark was even driven to apologise only two years ago.
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The point I was making regarded the lack of a resistence movement in the first half of the occupation. I personally dont have any ill will to the Danes over their actions. In truth I think it ultimately saved a lot of lives.

I do object to the arguement that the Danes waited till the Germans were on the ropes. The reality was the Danes heeded the call to action once their govenment was dismissed in 1943. That action indicated to the Danes that the uneasy truce was over - And they reacted accordingly.
 
Norway also had a government that cooperated with the germans (No, not the one in London), and just that one statistic i quoted really says it all.
95% of all railways sabotage was done in 1944 and 45.

NINETYFIVE PERCENT.

I live in Denmark, and I find the Danes (lack of) participation in wwII to be shameful and a disgrace.

The Danes were also ashamed after the war. Hence the mythmaking about the resistance and the rescuing of the jews.


And the poster writing about the baltic countries is right. They were many times worse than Denmark in helping Nazis. If I spit on Denmark, I defecate on Lithuania, Letland and Estonia But's thats a different subject.
 
Trade unionists, gypsies, homosexuals, and even a number of roman catholics also died in the holocaust. They should not be forgotten.
 
People (and not just from one camp, people IN GENERAL) tend to exaggerate. That pretty much covers this issue.

And almost every other issue that gets heated discussions for that matter.
 
westprog said:
The Japanese internment camps were a disgraceful, racist, shameful incident in American history. There was never any justification for them apart from punishing hardworking Japanese farmers in California.
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I would like to point out in counterpoint to the 'racist' accusation, that several thousand Italian families (and a few German) were also interred on the West Coast following the same pattern and target as Japanese families. Not that there wasn't an element of racism in the internment, but it was not as exclusive as some have made it out to be.

There was also the little fact that it was not impossible to be allowed to leave the internment camps. You would be allowed to leave (whatever your ancestry) if you pronounced loyalty to the US and agreed to move elsewhere in the USA. This ruined many people's established businesses and disrupted lives but it was more of an option than victims of the concentration camps ever had. Some 40,000 of the 110,000 Japanese Americans did relocate.

Things could have been similar with German Americans on the East Coast had Hitler posessed a Japanese size Navy and a threat of invasion existed. It might have been impractical given the sheer numbers of Americans with German ancestry. But doubtless German citizens would have been rounded up. As it was, many German organizations were watched like a hawk lest they start some kind of East Coast Niihau incident.
 
Heydrich, Wannsee Conference 1/20/42
"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival".
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Himmler speech at Posen 10/6/43
I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people. This is something that is easily said: "The Jewish people will be exterminated", says every Party member, "this is very obvious, it is in our program — elimination of the Jews, extermination, will do."
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Hmm, seems pretty plain to me. (both from wiki)
 
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