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Stick a Fork In Jimmy Carter

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284673,00.html
DUBLIN, Ireland — Former President Jimmy Carter accused the U.S., Israel and the European Union on Tuesday of seeking to divide the Palestinian people by reopening aid to President Mahmoud Abbas' new government in the West Bank while denying the same to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
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(note, this is an AP Story I first saw at Faux)

Jimmy, all that street cred you had built up after your milquetoast presidency is about gone. Cash out before its all gone bud.
 
Why so much Carter bashing from the Israel can do no wrong crowd?

It seems like lots of people have tried to bring peace to the Arab Israeli conflict but the only significant progress made on that front by anybody was made on Carter's watch as a direct result of his actions.
 
davefoc said:
Why so much Carter bashing from the Israel can do no wrong crowd?

It seems like lots of people have tried to bring peace to the Arab Israeli conflict but the only significant progress made on that front by anybody was made on Carter's watch as a direct result of his actions.
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Am I part of that crowd? Pardon me for saying this, but an american mainstream politician suggesting we should fund Hamas equally with Fatah is retarded. Not only does it make no sense politically, but it can only hurt the democrat image.

I'm glad to know I am a member of the pro-Israel cabal on this forum though. Webfusion forgot to send me a membership card.
 
a_unique_person said:
I believe he is talking about aid, that is, only what is required to keep people alive.
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Except I think we all know what this really means. We are trying to divide the people. Fatah will have the loot and food. Hamas will have terrorism and ideology. Carter is essentially right in that we are trying to bolster the lesser evil.

However, saying we _should_ fund Hamas as well just won't play.
 
Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter supports terrorists. Or, more precisely, Carter wants the US and Israel to support terrorists.

One more way Reagan was a better president than Carter: When he discovered he had Alzheimer's disease, he at least had the grace to retire from public life. Maybe Carter should see his doctor and consider the same course. He used to be an embarrassment to the US; now he's just embarrassing himself.
 
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a_unique_person said:
I believe he is talking about aid, that is, only what is required to keep people alive.
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a_u_p, do you understand the concept of fungibility?

"Oh, we're not going to send Hamas money, because they could buy guns with that. We're going to send them food and medicine, instead."

Which frees up money Hamas might otherwise have to spend on food or medicine, so they can buy guns.

Fungibility. It's an important concept. Get familiar with it.
 
Hamas and Fatah are having a civil war and it is the U.S. and the Europeans fault?

Jimmy, follow Ronnies example and ride off into the sunset, stfu, learn to use a hammer and just go away.
 
So when we fund terrorists that is okey dokey?

let us ee , set the way back machine for Ronnie Raygun and El Salvador, here we have the US funding right wing paramilitaries who rape torture and shoot up the country side.

And while Hamas is not the wisest group in the world, neither is the US.

But bash Jimmie Carter, don't read the book he wrote.

Is it really acceptable that Israel politicaly disenfranchise 3 million people who live in it's country. People who were born there, many whose families were there for generations?

If the Isralis would grant citizenship and give the same benefits to 'palestinian' citizens of Israel it might go a long way to stopping the intefada.

Just my thoughts, both sides have to accept that the other is there and then start to make peace acts despite the continuing acts of violence by the other side, no likely but one path.

I don't find that Hamas is right for blowing up people, I don't think israel is right for running a theocratic police state.
 
Dancing David said:
So when we fund terrorists that is okey dokey?

let us ee , set the way back machine for Ronnie Raygun and El Salvador, here we have the US funding right wing paramilitaries who rape torture and shoot up the country side.
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I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that funding terrorists during the Reagan administration was bad, but now that Jimmy Carter endorses it, it's good? :confused:

And while Hamas is not the wisest group in the world, neither is the US.
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And your point is... what? That we should fund Hamas because we're not "the wisest group in the world?"

You're being very confusing here. How do you feel about the US sending any kind of aid at all to Hamas?

Oh, BTW, just curious, since you know that we're not "the wisest group in the world," who, in your opinion, has that honor? I'm not arguing your point - just want to know what you think.
 
Dancing David said:
I don't find that Hamas is right for blowing up people, I don't think israel is right for running a theocratic police state.
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How did you right that without your head exploding? Hamas, not Israel, is the theocracy. They're the ones actively driving out religious minorities and enforcing repressive religious doctrines.
 
Ahem:
But while a new government brings new opportunities, Rice rejected Hamas’ attempt to divide the Palestinian people by seizing Gaza. To help ease the suffering of all Palestinians, she said that the United States would donate $40 million to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency to deliver humanitarian aid and funds for hospitals and schools specifically to the 1.5 million people of Gaza.
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US aid is going to Gaza, so Carter can take his straw man outside and burn it. The man has no idea what he is talking about any more.
 
BPSCG said:
Oh, BTW, just curious, since you know that we're not "the wisest group in the world," who, in your opinion, has that honor? I'm not arguing your point - just want to know what you think.
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Oh, come on, BP --- don't you know? It's Hamas. They will bring peace to the region like no one else could ... at the end of a gun. After all, if they can kill fellow Muslims who won't they kill?
 
Ziggurat said:
How did you right that without your head exploding? Hamas, not Israel, is the theocracy. They're the ones actively driving out religious minorities and enforcing repressive religious doctrines.
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Um... Hamas was democratically elected. It was an election that both Israel and Fatah tried to delay, but the US was certain that democracy would cure everything. Hamas may claim to have God's backing (as does George Bush) but that does not make Palestine a theocracy.
 
Tricky said:
Um... Hamas was democratically elected. It was an election that both Israel and Fatah tried to delay, but the US was certain that democracy would cure everything. Hamas may claim to have God's backing (as does George Bush) but that does not make Palestine a theocracy.
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Where did Just thinking claim that? He said it was a theocracy because it is "actively driving out religious minorities and enforcing repressive religious doctrines."

Does that not a theocracy make?
 
BPSCG said:
Where did Just thinking claim that? He said it was a theocracy because it is "actively driving out religious minorities and enforcing repressive religious doctrines."

Does that not a theocracy make?
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Sorry, that wasn't me, it was Ziggy ... but I think we're all 3 on the same page.
 
BPSCG said:
Where did Just thinking claim that? He said it was a theocracy because it is "actively driving out religious minorities and enforcing repressive religious doctrines."

Does that not a theocracy make?
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No. It makes it a religious party. That religious party can still be voted out as long as democracy holds.
 
Tricky said:
No. It makes it a religious party. That religious party can still be voted out as long as democracy holds.
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Do you seriously believe that's the case? Do you believe there's democracy in Gaza? If so, what are the main democratic features in Gaza today?
 
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