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Has Michael Moore become a full blown Truther?

The problem I've had with Moore is his hyping up point when they don't need it. Like the scene at that memorial foundation dinner in which Bush says something like "Some call you the rich elite, I call you my base." Just no need for it.

In the upcomming Sicko it seems that he's not going to do things like that and just present facts so I'm actually looking forward to this one.
 
I hate to add posts that don't really contribute, but wouldn't Micheal and Rosie make a good couple?
 
Michael is already married and Rosie is a lesbian, but other than complete incompatability... sure, why not?

ETA: Hey, according to Wikipedia, Michael learned how to make movies from a first cousin of President George W. Bush! Da fix is in!
 
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While he might use issues of importance, the fact that he uses deception and that deception borders on outright lies, still places him one step above Bart Sibrel in my book. And by the way, Politically I am a Left leaning centrist so this isn't simply a political view.
 
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ConspiRaider said:
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Hey Gum -

Well, we Yanks are definitely more violent than at least some population groups. I don't know about "inherently", but facts speak for themselves. You only have to compare us to Japan to acknowledge that we do a lot more violence here in the USA. What's their secret? What do the Japanese know that is eluding us? The answers are complex.

I'll tell you exactly why Michael Moore is so viciously attacked in this country. It's very similar to why Hillary Clinton is so viciously attacked. The right wing controls mass media here, and the right wing has NO TOLERANCE for dissenting views.
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Why do you always make yourself sound like a Twoofer whenever you start spouting this silly lefty propaganda? The right has the FOX network and talk radio. The left has the three major networks, CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, PBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, the L.A. Times, almost every other major daily, most of the entertainment industry, and virtually ALL of academia. Are you telling us that you've never seen any of the studies that show the overwhelming preponderance of liberals in the news business? It's not exactly a secret.

And they hate winners. When one slips by - the right-wing starts bellowing: LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS! LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS! Friggin' crybabies.

So, consider that your opinion of Michael Moore may be based, in part, on the maniacal screaming and gnashing of teeth and stomping of feet from the right wing.
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When Moore characterized Americans as the "dumbest sons-of-bitches on the planet" to a German audience, should we take him seriously or was this another example of his subtle wit? You're not fooling too many of us about Moore, Conspi.


If there is one concept that defines U.S. right wingers, it is this: Tremendous love for authoritarianism.
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Gee, and most of us who idled away our youth taking poli sci courses thought that conservatives prize individual freedoms.


That's why so many of them are fundamentalist Christians. That's why they want to ditch the Constitution, habeus corpus, allow unauthorized drug testing, disallow flag burning, remove people from government functions because they are wearing the "wrong" tee shirt and so on and so on...
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Name a conservative who opposes the right of habeas corpus for American citizens.


Moore sticks a finger in the eye of authority and the right wingers cannot stand it.
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Moore is a fraud and a hypocrite.


Hillary Clinton takes every shot fired at her by the right wing, and it's like the wind off a duck's ass, to her. They cannot stand it. How could someone - and a woman no less - be THAT tough?
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Uh, nothing dents her armor because she is shielded: her crimes are ignored by that LIBERAL media you pretend doesn't exist. Does "New Square" ring a bell?


When the right wingers in this country are unhappy? That means something good is happening.
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Yeah, I guess our coming defeat in Iraq is a cause for celebration. I hope you're right about those harmless jihadists.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
While he might use issues of importance, the fact that he uses deception and that deception borders on outright lies, still places him one step above Bart Sibrel in my book. And by the way, Politically I am a Left leaning centrist so this isn't simply a political view.
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As somebody who once worked with Bart Sibrel, I can assure you that your bias against Michael Moore is unfounded. I would put David Ray Griffin in the staircase between Moore and Sibrel.
 
boloboffin said:
As somebody who once worked with Bart Sibrel, I can assure you that your bias against Michael Moore is unfounded. I would put David Ray Griffin in the staircase between Moore and Sibrel.
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Hang on, it's a bias to dislike the way the guy distorts things? Personnaly I'd put DRG and Dylan on the same rung as Sibrel... actually, no Dylan might be lower. Moore would get a lot more respect from me if he didn't resort to cheap trickery, ommision, cherry picking his facts and cute video editting to get his point of view across. The reason I don't rate him as low as Sibrel is because he doesn't outright lie, but he comes darn close.
 
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I don't recall ConspiRaider ever diminishing the threat of islamic terrorism.
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I can't figure Conspi out. He seems to understand the idiocy of the fantasy movement well enough. But he goes off the deep end with Perry-Logan rants against anything that doesn't conform to his prejudices. His passionate love for a bunch of unprincipled hacks is a mystery to me. I tend to vote Republican because I find the Democrats so objectionable: they seem to regard a person's earnings as government property; they frame every issue in terms of groups, rather than individuals; they are reflexively anti-military and dangerously weak on national security. Still, if I ever found myself claiming to love the Republican Party, I'd take a good long rest.

What does Conspi think about the threat of Islamic terrorism? He strongly favors pulling out of Iraq. Does he want Iran to obtain nuclear weapons? Does he think America is an "imperial" power? I have no business putting words in his mouth, but I wish he'd tell us what he thinks about the jihadist threat. Why would a vet have anything good to say about a thoroughly dishonest America-basher like Michael Moore? Moore called the murderous savages ravaging Iraq "freedom fighters." Does Conspi disagree with that characterization?
 
PhantomWolf said:
Hang on, it's a bias to dislike the way the guy distorts things? Personnaly I'd put DRG and Dylan on the same rung as Sibrel... actually, no Dylan might be lower. Moore would get a lot more respect from me if he didn't resort to cheap trickery, ommision, cherry picking his facts and cute video editting to get his point of view across. The reason I don't rate him as low as Sibrel is because he doesn't outright lie, but he comes darn close.
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Like I say, I worked with Sibrel once. How should I put this? The dude used to order his pizzas with extra mushrooms. And now he's a member of an extremely legalistic Christian cult (well, he was, and I didn't see any sign of him dropping out the last I knew of him). That's why he chases astronauts with Bibles.

And that's why I object to characterizing Moore offhandedly as "one step above Bart Sibrel." Bart Sibrel is just another species of TV Fakery. Even Dylan and DRG won't go that far, and Moore isn't on their level of chicanery, by your own estimation.
 
I think trying to mislead people by selectively eliminating evidence and facts is wrong on any level. I only have one category for that behavior. I don't see a scale for that. I can maybe put the people who unintentionally mislead in one category, and people who intentionally mislead in another.

MM is one of those people, like Dylan who intentionally tries to mislead people. I hear he breaks that method in Sicko, but we'll have to wait and see. But fraud is fraud to me.
 
I continue to hear a lot of claims about Michael Moore's sins, but precious few have stepped up to provide examples and citations.

This is not the settled question you think it to be.
 
boloboffin said:
I continue to hear a lot of claims about Michael Moore's sins, but precious few have stepped up to provide examples and citations.

This is not the settled question you think it to be.
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The question seems more settled to those who have read the books detailing Moore's numerous distortions and outright lies, the many articles that do the same, and have watched the DVD "Fahren-hype 911."
 
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Like I say, I worked with Sibrel once. How should I put this? The dude used to order his pizzas with extra mushrooms. And now he's a member of an extremely legalistic Christian cult (well, he was, and I didn't see any sign of him dropping out the last I knew of him). That's why he chases astronauts with Bibles.

And that's why I object to characterizing Moore offhandedly as "one step above Bart Sibrel." Bart Sibrel is just another species of TV Fakery. Even Dylan and DRG won't go that far, and Moore isn't on their level of chicanery, by your own estimation.
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Moore uses exactly the same ambush and edit tactics that Sibrel does, minus the Bible. If that one item is your entire case, it's pretty poor.

I continue to hear a lot of claims about Michael Moore's sins, but precious few have stepped up to provide examples and citations.

This is not the settled question you think it to be.
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Do a search for "Moore Lies" on Google. The problem being that when people do stand up and point out his deceptions and misleading edits, they get lept on by his fanatical left wing supporters and vilified as Crazy gun-nutters or Bush lovers. There is as much point in giving out links to places that reveal Moore deceptions to his supporters as is there is in giving Gravy's links to a 9/11 Truther.
 
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The problem being that when people do stand up and point out his deceptions and misleading edits, they get lept on by his fanatical left wing supporters and vilified as Crazy gun-nutters or Bush lovers. There is as much point in giving out links to places that reveal Moore deceptions to his supporters as is there is in giving Gravy's links to a 9/11 Truther.
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I missed the part where I jumped on anyone here for being a Crazy gun-nutter or a Bush lover. You will be so good as to point that passage of mine out to me? I would hate to think that you just pulled a Michael Moore on me.
 
Admittedly no more than an impression -- but wasn't Michael Moore saying "trooferish" things even before there was such a movement?

Like right after the 9-11 massacre?

I'm pretty sure there was some kind of controversial pronouncement, but I do not remember the details.
 
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