The US goverment sank the Titanic

We also sank the Lousitania...and the Maine. America is incapable of suffering a tragic defeat without our own people being involved. We are invincible!!!!!!!!
 
Umm the Lusitania was set up by the British Government. But lets not forget the USS Maine :)
 
Well the British did forget to tell the Captain of the Lusitania some important facts about sub activity in the area

And the Maine has always had a big cloud over its fate in Havana Harbour

Mind you, dont get me started on the sinking of the Yamato..... seriously, you tell me how an 80,000 ton ship gets sunk by itsy bitsy airplanes.
 
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MG1962 said:
Well the British did forget to tell the Captain of the Lusitania some important facts about sub activity in the area

And the Maine has always had a big cloud over its fate in Havana Harbour

Mind you, dont get me started on the sinking of the Yamato..... seriously, you tell me how an 80,000 ton ship gets sunk by itsy bitsy airplanes.
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Well, now they aren't 80,000 tons, but....

lets ask the Captains of:

U.S.S. Arizona
U.S.S. California
U.S.S. Oklahoma
U.S.S. Yorktown
U.S.S. Lexington
U.S.S. West Virginia
U.S.S. Tennessee
H.M.S Prince of Wales
H.M.S. Repulse
I.N.J Soryu
I.N.J Hiryu
I.N.J Kaga
I.N.J. Kaga
well, you get the point.

And no small honorable mention to Capt Lindemann of Bismarck who, while not technically sunk by itty bitty planes, was certainly brought to his demise in no small part by the heroic efforts of our British allies in the most ittiest bittiest planes to fight a major ship of war..er..of the war. :D
 
HawksFan said:
Well, now they aren't 80,000 tons, but....

lets ask the Captains of:

U.S.S. Arizona
U.S.S. California
U.S.S. Oklahoma
U.S.S. Yorktown
U.S.S. Lexington
U.S.S. West Virginia
U.S.S. Tennessee
H.M.S Prince of Wales
H.M.S. Repulse
I.N.J Soryu
I.N.J Hiryu
I.N.J Kaga
I.N.J. Kaga
well, you get the point.

And no small honorable mention to Capt Lindemann of Bismarck who, while not technically sunk by itty bitty planes, was certainly brought to his demise in no small part by the heroic efforts of our British allies in the most ittiest bittiest planes to fight a major ship of war..er..of the war. :D
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Ask Billy Mitchell if it's possible, then ask him what happens if you try to prove it to anyone.
 
MG1962 said:
Mind you, dont get me started on the sinking of the Yamato..... seriously, you tell me how an 80,000 ton ship gets sunk by itsy bitsy airplanes.
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I once put together a plastic model kit of the Yamato and a US VB-82 plane and used them to test the "sinking" theory.

Guess what....those US planes didn't even have real bombs! :eek:
 
And no small honorable mention to Capt Lindemann of Bismarck who, while not technically sunk by itty bitty planes, was certainly brought to his demise in no small part by the heroic efforts of our British allies in the most ittiest bittiest planes to fight a major ship of war..er..of the war. :biggrin:
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Actually all jokes aside, I recall reading the account of one of the ack ack gunners on the Bismark. He was saying that the fact the planes flew so slow made them hard to hit. The sighting and firing systems were designed to take on much faster aircraft... so go figure

Oh and you left out Italian losses at Taranto :p
 
twinstead said:
The big lake, it's said, never gives up its dead...

Yea. That's what THEY want you to believe.
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The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times

Can we really be sure of that number? What if somebody rang it one more time just for a goof?

How do we know the church bell wasn't made outta wood, no clapper, and the chimes were just dubbed in on a Foley later?

If a Catholic church bell is rung in the woods and the Pope isn't there to make poo-poo, does a bear make a sound?
 
MG1962 said:
Actually all jokes aside, I recall reading the account of one of the ack ack gunners on the Bismark. He was saying that the fact the planes flew so slow made them hard to hit. The sighting and firing systems were designed to take on much faster aircraft... so go figure

Oh and you left out Italian losses at Taranto :p
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Yes, yes, I did forget about Taranto. Which, ironically, convinced the Japanese that the attack on Pearl Harbor could work. :o

I've read the same account about the AA on Bismarck as well. They had a heck of a time with those old planes. I actually have mixed feelings about it because the Bismarck was an absolutely remarkable ship. Kind of one of those 'yeah, she has to go but, dang, what a shame' type of things.

On that note, I just realized we've forgotten about the Tirpitz as well...
 
HawksFan said:
I've read the same account about the AA on Bismarck as well. They had a heck of a time with those old planes.
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I don't think the speed of the aircraft would have mattered all that much, if the U.S. experience in the Pacific theatre is any guide. The USN learned fairly quickly that it takes A LOT of anti-aircraft guns to have a decent chance of shooting down sufficient numbers of the attackers. Not only that, but they have to be the right kind of AA guns.
 
HawksFan said:
Yes, yes, I did forget about Taranto. Which, ironically, convinced the Japanese that the attack on Pearl Harbor could work. :o

I've read the same account about the AA on Bismarck as well. They had a heck of a time with those old planes. I actually have mixed feelings about it because the Bismarck was an absolutely remarkable ship. Kind of one of those 'yeah, she has to go but, dang, what a shame' type of things.

On that note, I just realized we've forgotten about the Tirpitz as well...
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Taranto? Isn't that how Fran Drescher says Toronto?
 
Just a quick comment about the Lusitania. The radio transmissions and the order to sink the shape came from Germans on Long Island New York. I live near where the transmission was made in a place called Telefunken.
 
lauraPSLI said:
Just a quick comment about the Lusitania. The radio transmissions and the order to sink the shape came from Germans on Long Island New York. I live near where the transmission was made in a place called Telefunken.
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Is that near Vorsprung Durch Technik?
 
lauraPSLI said:
Just a quick comment about the Lusitania. The radio transmissions and the order to sink the shape came from Germans on Long Island New York. I live near where the transmission was made in a place called Telefunken.
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Telefunken..that's West Sayville....southern Islip in Suffolk county. That's near fire island...OMG...the Lusitania was sunk by gay Germans :D
 
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