Putting the Kook In Kucinich

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Well, the Truther's have their first candidate for President in 2008. Dennis Kucinich, addressing the antiwar protestors over the weekend, said:

"And finally, our plan is to tell the truth about 9-11 and to tell the truth..."

Unfortunately the video fades out there to get to Eve Ensler and her vagina.

The video is up at SLC. The interesting thing is this is obviously a coded appeal to the Truthers; probably 50% of the people at the speech hadn't a clue as to what he was talking about, and after all, who can object to knowing the truth about 9-11?
 
He used a similar phrase in a speech on the House floor back in June '06:
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"We separate ourselves from human unity by not participating in a wide range of international agreements, and yet we are the United States. Our very name speaks to unity.

"How then can we find ourselves again as a Nation? How can we come to reconnect with the deeper meaning of who we are? How can we step away from this experience which, since 9/11, has taken us into a blind alley?

"If there was ever a time when this country needed a period of truth and reconciliation, this is it. We find so many of our fellow countrymen and women still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. It did not. But at a time when 9/11 gave us an opportunity to start a whole new national discussion about who we are and how we can reconnect with the world, decisions were made which further separated us. We went down a blind alley, and in that blind alley we remain, unaware of the truth behind 9/11, not with respect to who did it, but with respect to what is our role in the world, what is America's position in the world.

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He clearly isn't denying the events, just arguing the meaning and response.

I think you're making this into a new "new Pearl Harbor".
 
Have to disagree with you Chipmunk. Kucinich is woo. I can say that with some authority, as I lived in Ohio from '78 to '04 and got to hear lots of his rantings.

fyi, the name is pronounced koo-sin-itch fwiw
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Have to disagree with you Chipmunk. Kucinich is woo. I can say that with some authority, as I lived in Ohio from '78 to '04 and got to hear lots of his rantings.

fyi, the name is pronounced koo-sin-itch fwiw
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How do you pronounce 'fwiw'?
 
chipmunk stew said:
He used a similar phrase in a speech on the House floor back in June '06:

He clearly isn't denying the events, just arguing the meaning and response.

I think you're making this into a new "new Pearl Harbor".
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I don't think he's fully embracing the Deniers, but he's definitely giving them a nod and a wink with that language.
 
In the speech quoted, the context would lead me to believe he NOT refering to a massive coverup. However, having met his supporters whne this guy ran for president, I find it easy to believe that he believes in a conspiracy.
 
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Brainster said:
I don't think he's fully embracing the Deniers, but he's definitely giving them a nod and a wink with that language.
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I think you are making a CTist like leap. Other then using the word "truth" he has expressed nothing which suggests he has anything in common with the CTists.

Unless you have more then what's been posted already.

Note: I'm not a Kucinich fan.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Have to disagree with you Chipmunk. Kucinich is woo. I can say that with some authority, as I lived in Ohio from '78 to '04 and got to hear lots of his rantings.

fyi, the name is pronounced koo-sin-itch fwiw
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Brainster said:
I don't think he's fully embracing the Deniers, but he's definitely giving them a nod and a wink with that language.
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firecoins said:
In the speech quoted, the context would lead me to believe he not refering to a massive coverup. However, having met his supporters whne this guy ran for president, I have no doubts he believes in a conspiracy.
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DavidJames said:
I think you are making a CTist like leap. Other then using the word "truth" he has expressed nothing which suggests he has anything in common with the CTists.

Unless you have more then what's been posted already.

Note: I'm not a Kucinich fan.
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I consider Kucinich a crank, but I've never read or heard anything to suggest that he entertains even LIHOP notions. I suppose it's possible that he'd use that language to win over Deniers--I don't know how stupid the guy is (he's at least savvy enough to have kept his office and, I presume, his likeability)--but it's perhaps more likely that he qualified the phrase similarly to the way he did in the speech I linked to. It's a phrase without context, and, as we who engage in arguing this topic should well know, phrases without context can be extremely misleading.

I think it's an unjustified leap, so long as there's no corroborating evidence from prior writing or speeches that he has Truther leanings.
 
I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

It's not a good sign when JREFers start thinking like conspiracists, grasping at phrases in YouTube clips to make a huge case against someone. There's a clip at this place which may clarify Kucinich's position on 9/11:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/1283

The blogger interprets it to mean Kucinich is a Truther. But Truthers are very inclined to misinterpret what people say.

Kucinich is obviously talking about criminal incompetence in connection with 9/11. That's what the parallels to Katrina and the Iraq War are meant to convey.

He's a righteous Democrat, way too smart to be a Truther. Now go back into skeptic mode, people.
 
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Currently, I am a Kucinich supporter. I am so because of several reasons which belong in the politics forum. Suffice it to say I want his viewpoint (for the most part) at the table of ideas. However, if he really is more woo than the quote Brainster highlights (hey, Deniers get to vote too!), I'd like to know about it. The inevitable switch to Hillary has to be made at some point.

I've also seen a 2001 bill he introduced about space weaponry which proscribed chemtrails. The ick factor went up quite a bit there, and it wouldn't take too much more to switch candidates. So, Arken, lay it on me!
 
Brainster said:
Well, the Truther's have their first candidate for President in 2008. Dennis Kucinich, addressing the antiwar protestors over the weekend, said:

"And finally, our plan is to tell the truth about 9-11 and to tell the truth..."

Unfortunately the video fades out there to get to Eve Ensler and her vagina.

The video is up at SLC. The interesting thing is this is obviously a coded appeal to the Truthers; probably 50% of the people at the speech hadn't a clue as to what he was talking about, and after all, who can object to knowing the truth about 9-11?
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Dennis Kucinich. Presidential candidate for us truthers?

We have a few other politicians on our side like Ron Paul.

Can this be a sign that we truthers are becoming so plentyful that ambitious politicians are considering it as good platform?

Hope so:)
 
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pagan said:
Dennis Kucinich. Presidential candidate for us truthers?

We have a few other politicians on our side like Ron Paul.

Can this be a sign that we truthers are becoming so plentyful that ambitious politicians are considering it as good platform?
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Forget it ... :p
 
pagan said:
Dennis Kucinich. Presidential candidate for us truthers?

We have a few other politicians on our side like Ron Paul.

Can this be a sign that we truthers are becoming so plentyful that ambitious politicians are considering it as good platform?

Hope so:)
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ooooops your post is just crying out for an edit.......

We have a ... politician on our side .... Ron Paul.
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There, fixed! :D
 
uk_dave said:
ooooops your post is just crying out for an edit.......



There, fixed! :D
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For you Dave, I can mention a few others who's carears have suffered a great deal:

Rep. Curt Weldon

Rep Cynthia Mckinney. (Real heroine)

Morgan Reynolds Phd ( an *******)

Paul Craig Roberts Phd

Robert Bowman Phd

And many more take a look at this site:

http://patriotsquestion911.com/
 
pagan said:
Dennis Kucinich. Presidential candidate for us truthers?

We have a few other politicians on our side like Ron Paul.

Can this be a sign that we truthers are becoming so plentyful that ambitious politicians are considering it as good platform?

Hope so:)
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Yes, and there's guaranteed to be a pony under all that horsebleep somewhere!

Back to the original point, it's a stretch indeed to think that Kucinich didn't know what he was doing with that comment. Again, it's kind of a wink, so there remains some deniability. Maybe in the clip that was cut, he went on to say something like Ward Churchill, that the truth about 9-11 was that it was the chickens coming home to roost. Maybe he went on to say that the truth about 9-11 was that it was a result of our support for Israel.
 
with apologies for stating the obvious, has anyone contacted his campaign team to ask. Presumably he's got staff who can answer questions about his political position - or are US presidential candidates less accessible?
 
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