5th aircraft on 9/11 ?

[njslim]

Recently HISTORY CHANNEL repeated number of 9/11 themed shows - one
of them (can't recall the name) mentioned flight UNITED 23. It was taxing
on runway at Newark airport when reports of aircraft flying into the WTC
The captain had aboard several "Middle Eastern looking" passengers whom
appeared suspect to him. The captain returned to the gate at which time
the suspect passengers bolted off the plane before the police could detain
them for questioning. They left on board luggage which contained Al QUEDA
documents. Have heard nothing further about this incident - that is if
ever happened.


Questions: Given that increasing the number of hijackers would create
logistical and control problems - smuggling more hijackers through customs
and hiding them until ready would increase chances of detection. The major
problem of the 9/11 plot was getting the "right" kind of people to fly the
planes. According to book LOOMING TOWERS by lawrence Wright the 9/11
plot almost floundered on this point. The average Al QUEDA fanatic in the
camps while motivated enough lacked the education and sophistication
to get sufficient flight training to fly the planes into the targets. It was
only the "Hamburg cell" led by Mohammed Atta who were engineering students
and lived for years in the west which allowed the plot to go forward.

Figuring a plot this elaobrate would have a backup - a spare plane ready
to hit any target which had escaped the earlier planes. Any more information
on this angle?

 

[firecoins]

never heard anything about a 5th plane. Is there a source? Can you link us to some news article or something? How did you come across this info?

 

[njslim]

FIRECOINS: never heard anything about a 5th plane. Is there a source? Can you link us to some news article or something? How did you come across this info?

Was on recent repeat of HISTORY CHANNEL show - seen it several times
before.

 

[beachnut]

Figuring a plot this elaobrate would have a backup - a spare plane ready
to hit any target which had escaped the earlier planes. Any more information
on this angle?

I think they may of had problems geting more pilots wanting to meet 78 virgins tommorrow.

What if the helpers, the non-pilots, did not know it was last day? What if other cells watched 9/11 unfold and figured it out? Run Mohammad I am too young to have all 78 virgins.

Maybe some cells like freedom to drink beer, see naked arms and legs, and necks. Maybe they like the US! Darn, most first generation american kids I have met, leagal and illegal are more american than most americans.

Did not see if your story was real yet, but I have heard it.

 

[firecoins]

I have done a search with the info you provided but all I get are conspiracy sites.

 

[Oliver]

(initial?) source of Flight 23 story:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/national/main311250.shtml

After the plane was boarded, United Airlines officials told passengers that United Airlines Flight 23, bound for Los Angeles, had been cancelled.

Three males traveling refused to disembark. The argument with a member of the flight crew became so heated that the crew member called airport security.

But before security arrived, the men had vanished, said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Additional sources:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/il10_kirk/news040414_flight.html
http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_STAND_DOWN.pdf

 

[njslim]

You are right - just checked HISTORY CHANNEL schedule for last week

Name of show was "GROUNDED ON 9/11"

While attempting to confirm the story by doing Google search wind up getting
directed to various conspiracy nut sites.

 

[gumboot]

What if the helpers, the non-pilots, did not know it was last day? What if other cells watched 9/11 unfold and figured it out? Run Mohammad I am too young to have all 78 virgins.

I have always considered this likely. There's no real reason why the non-pilots would need to know it was a suicide mission. The CVR from UA93 seems to indicate some kind of struggle in the cockpit between the hijackers, which would suggest some of them didn't know what fate was awaiting them.

Also, another one of those "lost in the ether" stories...

I recall somewhere reading of a second cell of hijackers who were going to carry out a similar attack on flights departing London, however they saw the scale of the destruction in New York and chickened out before they boarded their flights.

I can't for the life of me remember where I heard this though.

-Gumboot

 

[Brainster]

I have always considered this likely. There's no real reason why the non-pilots would need to know it was a suicide mission. The CVR from UA93 seems to indicate some kind of struggle in the cockpit between the hijackers, which would suggest some of them didn't know what fate was awaiting them.

Also, another one of those "lost in the ether" stories...

I recall somewhere reading of a second cell of hijackers who were going to carry out a similar attack on flights departing London, however they saw the scale of the destruction in New York and chickened out before they boarded their flights.

I can't for the life of me remember where I heard this though.

-Gumboot

I don't recall any indication in the CVR that there was any struggle in the cockpit between the hijackers. There is some indication that at least one of the muscle guys on Flight 93 was telling Jarrah when to crash the plane.

However, it should be obvious that there were further plane operations planned; Zacharias Moussouai wasn't a muscle hijacker.

 

[DRBUZZ0]

Recently HISTORY CHANNEL repeated number of 9/11 themed shows - one
of them (can't recall the name) mentioned flight UNITED 23. It was taxing
on runway at Newark airport when reports of aircraft flying into the WTC
The captain had aboard several "Middle Eastern looking" passengers whom
appeared suspect to him. The captain returned to the gate at which time
the suspect passengers bolted off the plane before the police could detain
them for questioning. They left on board luggage which contained Al QUEDA
documents. Have heard nothing further about this incident - that is if
ever happened.


Questions: Given that increasing the number of hijackers would create
logistical and control problems - smuggling more hijackers through customs
and hiding them until ready would increase chances of detection. The major
problem of the 9/11 plot was getting the "right" kind of people to fly the
planes. According to book LOOMING TOWERS by lawrence Wright the 9/11
plot almost floundered on this point. The average Al QUEDA fanatic in the
camps while motivated enough lacked the education and sophistication
to get sufficient flight training to fly the planes into the targets. It was
only the "Hamburg cell" led by Mohammed Atta who were engineering students
and lived for years in the west which allowed the plot to go forward.

Figuring a plot this elaobrate would have a backup - a spare plane ready
to hit any target which had escaped the earlier planes. Any more information
on this angle?

Of course there was another plane! It was behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I don't recall any indication in the CVR that there was any struggle in the cockpit between the hijackers. There is some indication that at least one of the muscle guys on Flight 93 was telling Jarrah when to crash the plane.

However, it should be obvious that there were further plane operations planned; Zacharias Moussouai wasn't a muscle hijacker.

well with 93 they crashed the plane to prevent the passengers from retaking control, this could easily be an all-purpose contingency plan that all the hijackers knew about

its still conceivable that only the pilots knew that even if all went according to plan they were still going to die

 

[Bell]

I recall somewhere reading of a second cell of hijackers who were going to carry out a similar attack on flights departing London, however they saw the scale of the destruction in New York and chickened out before they boarded their flights.

I can't for the life of me remember where I heard this though.

-Gumboot

I remember that also. But that doesn't help, does it?

And what about the stories that boxcutters were found on another plane?