Deja Vu - Fiji coup time.... Again!

Coups are not necessarily a bad thing when compared to the state of affairs before the coup.

Pakistan is one example.
 
Yeah the nerve of these places. They should all have puppet governments so we can have cheap stuff and vacation spots.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Coups are not necessarily a bad thing when compared to the state of affairs before the coup.

Pakistan is one example.
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Doesn't apply here, the government is legitimate and has done a good job of recovery after the previous coups. Start all over again....
 
gtc said:
I don't follow, the OP was by a New Zealander commenting on Fiji.
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NZ and Australia are pretty good at keeping the peace in the South Pacific and Fiji is high on our agenda - a comparison would be USA and Mexico - close neighbours who you try to help, but ultimately are powerless to change the course of events, unless force is used, and it won't be.
 
a_unique_person said:
The whole area is going to the ****house. Seems like half the island nations are self destructing in one way or another.
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Yeah, how the hell did all this crap get down here? Fiji, Tonga, Vanuatu, East Timor - Jesus, we're going to run out of troops to sort them out shortly - better get Johnny to re-introduce the draft there.
 
DanishDynamite said:
What doesn't apply here? What government is legitimate in your opinion?
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Comparing Pakistan to Fiji is like comparing USSR to Mauritius.

Fiji's government is legitimate, constitutional and reasonable. Bainimarama isn't any of those. He's a strong-arm dick with an agenda of his own choosing.
 
The Atheist said:
Yeah, how the hell did all this crap get down here? Fiji, Tonga, Vanuatu, East Timor - Jesus, we're going to run out of troops to sort them out shortly - better get Johnny to re-introduce the draft there.
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We hawaiians will look after the tongans if it really comes down to it. Something tells me we should have supported our portagees in east timor, but Fiji? Isnt Fiji more Indian than polynesian by now?
 
The Atheist said:
Doesn't apply here, the government is legitimate and has done a good job of recovery after the previous coups. Start all over again....
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Well, it has and it hasn't. One of the reasons for the coup is that Bainamarana was not with the previous leaders of the military coups, so they tried to kill him. He survived by diving out of a window. Now the current government wants to give those guys a pardon. Understandably, he is **** off at that. He shouldn't be wanting to hold a coup over it though. Just the threats were enough to put that stupid idea out of their minds. He should just back off now.
 
a_unique_person said:
Well, it has and it hasn't. One of the reasons for the coup is that Bainamarana was not with the previous leaders of the military coups, so they tried to kill him. He survived by diving out of a window. Now the current government wants to give those guys a pardon. Understandably, he is **** off at that. He shouldn't be wanting to hold a coup over it though. Just the threats were enough to put that stupid idea out of their minds. He should just back off now.
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I had wondered what his reasoning was. Without that it seems that he was threatening a coup because the government was too lenient to people who stage coups.

There is also the issue of native title over the sea shore.
 
Isn't the conduct of a coup in Fiji very similar in most respects to playing rugby? Perhaps someone actually confused the two...
 
The Atheist said:
NZ and Australia are pretty good at keeping the peace in the South Pacific and Fiji is high on our agenda - a comparison would be USA and Mexico - close neighbours who you try to help, but ultimately are powerless to change the course of events, unless force is used, and it won't be.
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I know that, I am an Aussie. I just didn't follow how he turns your post into an attack on Howard.

Actually, I think Howard and the Clark have been too wishy-washy. Rather than faciliting the meeting between Qarase and Bainimarama earlier this week, I would have locked them in the room together and not let them out until they settled their differences. Then I would have asked the Fijians whether they wanted me to let them out or just leave them there. This is probably why I am not in charge of anything.
 
gtc said:
I don't follow, the OP was by a New Zealander commenting on Fiji.
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My mistake. In which case, I should have said instead:
The Atheist said:
.. indigenous racists....
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The nerve of them, trying to compete with the unlamented Piggy Muldoon. How dare they?
 
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