Creating "Extreme Water" by adding sodium to regular water

Ladewig

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Ladewig
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If I remember my high school chemistry class correctly, adding elemental sodium to water produces a very extreme reaction. The sodium reacts with the water to produce sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and hydrogen gas (H2). There is also a great deal of the formed during the reaction - enough heat to ignite the hydrogen gas.

I do hope the authorities crack down on Vance Alford's fraudulent claims.
 
Or you can add HCl (hydrochloric acid )and sodium to water - and if the amounts are correct you will get Saltwater. But I DO NOT advise doing this at home. Or you can mix the proper amounts of NaOH and HCl together and get saltwater - safer than first listed -but you still need to be real careful.
 
Ladewig said:
If I remember my high school chemistry class correctly, adding elemental sodium to water produces a very extreme reaction. The sodium reacts with the water to produce sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and hydrogen gas (H2). There is also a great deal of the formed during the reaction - enough heat to ignite the hydrogen gas.

I do hope the authorities crack down on Vance Alford's fraudulent claims.
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Balanced chemical equation:

Na(s) + H2O = NaOH(aq) + 1/2H2.

(This is an issue with occupational health and safety. Safety officers often insist that no water should be used to dispose of alkali metals; forgetting that the use of alcoholic solvents with alkali metals poses the risk that the alcohol can ignite. Ethyl alcohol is in fact safe to use with sodium (the hydrogen does not ignite), however, the more active potassium will ignite ethanol and isopropyl alcohol if the alcohol is used neat.)
 
Don't think X2O is possible

From the last newsletter, X2O is supposed to contain:

Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Beryllium, Bismuth, Boron, Bromine, Cadmium, Calcium, Carbon, Cerium, Chloride, Chromium, Cobalt, Copper, Dysprosium, Erbium, Europium, Fluoride, Gadolinium, Gallium, Germanium, Gold, Hafnium, Holmium, Indium, Iodine, Iridium, Iron, Lanthanum, Lithium, Lutetium, Magnesium, Manganese, Molybdenum, Neodymium, Nickel, Niobium, Osmium, Palladium, Potassium, Praseodymium, Rhenium, Rhodium, Rubidium, Ruthenium, Samarium, Scandium, Selenium, Silicon, Silver, Sodium, Strontium, Sulfur, Tantalum, Tellurium, Terbium, Thallium, Tin, Titanium, Tungsten, Vanadium, Ytterbium, Zinc, and Zirconium.
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I'm a chemist and I could sit down for hours with the references to calculate how much of each claimed ingredient would stay happy in solution with its coingredients but I have a life. It would be a lot easier to ask dear ole Vance to show us the analytical results of each batch. I know in my bones he has no such data.

I remember from way back that a lot of these metals would not remain soluble in alkaline conditions. And, as the boob has listed sulfur as a solute, he has sealed his own doom as most sulfides are insoluble in water at any pH.

I have Googled X2O and I'm afraid it's in the States now. Vance is looking for distributors and there's only too many people willing to sell out their customers to make a buck. But I don't see how this is going to escape regulatory notice for long. It would have to take someone filing suit but this product would be gone in a flash if dear ole Vance had to submit proof that all these metals were in his product. (I considered the regulatory angle that water, considered a food, was probably protected from adulteration but Vance could claim his product is a dietary supplement and thereby escape regulation. Sucks!)

I know he could be sued for mislabeling right off the bat. His teabag claims
"Highly Active" Calcium 94.7%
Magnesium 3.4%
Ocean Trace Minerals 1.4%
L-ascorbic acid .5%
Silver (trace)
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and, if so, he'd be selling bags of metal. Notice that the ingredients add up to 100% and virtually no anions that would indicate salts are listed.

All I can say is that "caveat emptor" is alive and well.
 
Slimething said:
I remember from way back that a lot of these metals would not remain soluble in alkaline conditions. And, as the boob has listed sulfur as a solute, he has sealed his own doom as most sulfides are insoluble in water at any pH.
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No reason to assume that the sulfur is in a sulfide form and not a sulfate. But then, there's no reason to assume any of these compounds are measurably present.
We know that these compounds have to be much less than these values (in mg/L). And some are actually poorly excreted heavy metals that are known to bioaccumulate (similar to mercury).
Aluminum 2.0E-01
Antimony 6.0E-03
Arsenic 5.0E-02
Barium 2.0E+00
Beryllium 4.0E-03
Cadmium 5.0E-03
Chromium 1.0E-01
Cobalt 9.4E-02
Copper 1.0E+00
Iron 4.7E-01
Lead 5.0E-02
Manganese 5.0E-02
Mercury 2.0E-03
Nickel 1.0E-01
Selenium 5.0E-02
Silver 1.0E-01
Thallium 2.0E-03
Tin 9.4E-01
Vanadium 1.1E-02

which are the target levels for groundwater cleanup in Maryland http://www.mde.state.md.us/assets/document/hazcleanup_Dec2000.pdf.
Drinking water standards are much, much stricter.
 
I just shout really loud at my water. Sometimes I get really dizzy. That makes the water more extreme than usual.
 
joobz said:
No reason to assume that the sulfur is in a sulfide form and not a sulfate. But then, there's no reason to assume any of these compounds are measurably present..
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I considered sulfates and sulfites but dropped them as candidates because there's no oxygen (or hydrogen) on the list. The sulfur may exist in combination with other things that are not on the list as well but this Vance seems to have thrown everything he could think of into this list.

Thanks.
 
Ytt!

I need some of that water, because I don't get nearly enough ytterbium in my diet. Why is there no yttrium? Does anyone know where I can get some yttrium supplements?

--Scott
 
JonnyFive said:
Will that also provide me with my RDA of plutonium?
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Definitely! Many times the daily recommended amount, and everyone knows that if a little bit is good, a whole lot must be great. It'll also energise the cells in you body, which comes with the side benefit that you'll never need a flashlight again.
 
Folly said:
Definitely! Many times the daily recommended amount, and everyone knows that if a little bit is good, a whole lot must be great. It'll also "energize" the cells in your body, which comes with the side benefit that you'll never need a flashlight again.
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There. I corrected it for you.
 
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