Okay, I'm about ready to declare victory...

[Oliver]

For the 17th time I am not a jones fan. I'll become one if thats convenient for you.

I have so far been accused of being killtown, pdoherty, and alex jones. I reckon i'll be told i'm Dylan next.

Brian: I'm not the Messiah!
Arthur: I say you are, lord, and I should know... I've followed a few.
Followers: Hail Messiah!
Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity!
Brian: What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right... I AM THE MESSIAH!
Followers: HE IS! HE IS THE MESSIAH!
Brian: NOW, F*** OFF!!!!
[there is a long awkward silence.]
Arthur: How shall we F*** off, oh Lord?
Brian: Oh, just go away! Leave me alone.

Simon: You told these people to eat my juniper berries. You break my bloody foot. You break my vow of silence, and then you try and clean up on my juniper bushes!
Brian: Oh, lay off!
Arthur: This is the Messiah, the Chosen One!
Simon: No, he's not.
Brian: Aaaagh!
Arthur: An unbeliever!
Followers: An unbeliever!
Arthur: Persecute! Kill the heretic!
Followers: Kill the heretic! Kill him! Persecute! Kill!...
Brian: Leave him alone! Leave him alone! Leave him alone. Put him down. Please!

Mandy: There's no Messiah in here. There's a mess, all right, but no messiah.

Mandy: Now, you listen here! He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!

Brian: You are all individuals!
Crowd: YES, YES, WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!
Brian: You are all different!
Crowd: YES, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!
Lone Voice: I'm not.
Person next to him: SHH!

 

[R.Mackey]

It's funny that Mackey declared victory over the CTs and then admits he hasn't heard of some of them. If I could write comedy like this i'd be a rich man.

I research facts, not people, and I evaluate arguments when they are presented here. Since Mr. Tarpley has been mentioned very sparsely (check the Search function if you don't believe me), I had no reason to consider him important.

However, this is why I asked. I'm sure there are others I haven't heard of. I'm not afraid to admit that, nor afraid to learn. So thank you for your contribution. I am, however, disappointed that you still haven't explained anything about the guy, just that you find it amusing that I don't know him.

Oh, by the way, the "comedy" argument is also highly reminiscent of Killtown. He resorted to such crude insults often when trying to think of excuses. Again, you may want to modify your increasingly insulting behavior if you don't want to be confused with him. Thanks!

 

[Loss Leader]

Frankly, there isn't a single thing to be gained here. They are bringing us nothing new, just recycling the same old arguments and mistakes, so we have nothing to learn from them.

...

So therefore, on that basis, I tentatively declare victory.

I've been thinking about this very thing recently and I think that the real storm is still coming. The midterm elections look like they're going to turn one or both houses over to the Democrats. While I will weap tears of joy and hug strangers on that day, there might be one small complication ...

They're going to hold hearings.

They're going to hold lots of hearings. About everything. They're going to grill Rumsfeld and Rice and everybody they can find for as long as they can about whatever they can. Payback's a bitch and the Dems want payback.

Now, there was no conspiracy. There was no LIHOP. There was some attempt to minimize how badly the administration had misread the terrorist threat. Clinton actually left Clark there with a fully fleshed-out plan which they ignored for eight months. And they are incompetent jerks and warmongers who deserve to be turned out into the street. But there was no pre-9/11 conspiracy.

That, however, won't matter. All those hearings are going to create quotes. They're going to creat pundits. And they're going to create evidence.

And the entire CT movement will get its second wind.

Storm's coming. At least, that's what I think.

 

[R.Mackey]

Follow-up: Webster Tarpley

You can read some of his ramblings here: http://ourworldinbalance.blogspot.com/2005/11/story-of-webster-griffin-tarpley.html

You'll note a startling lack of evidence, even in this friendly interview. If that's the best he's got, I confidently state that he wouldn't last five minutes under critical scrutiny.

As Andrew says, "he has no theory." Nothing but innuendo... Oh, and special mention for his early days as a LaRouche aide, though rumour has it the relationship ended badly.

Any more nominees?

 

[LashL]

I've been thinking about this very thing recently and I think that the real storm is still coming. The midterm elections look like they're going to turn one or both houses over to the Democrats. While I will weap tears of joy and hug strangers on that day, there might be one small complication ...

They're going to hold hearings.

They're going to hold lots of hearings. About everything. They're going to grill Rumsfeld and Rice and everybody they can find for as long as they can about whatever they can. Payback's a bitch and the Dems want payback.

Now, there was no conspiracy. There was no LIHOP. There was some attempt to minimize how badly the administration had misread the terrorist threat. Clinton actually left Clark there with a fully fleshed-out plan which they ignored for eight months. And they are incompetent jerks and warmongers who deserve to be turned out into the street. But there was no pre-9/11 conspiracy.

That, however, won't matter. All those hearings are going to create quotes. They're going to creat pundits. And they're going to create evidence.

And the entire CT movement will get its second wind.

Storm's coming. At least, that's what I think.

That's an interesting take on things, Loss Leader. Thanks. I agree with you about the administration's incompetency, about their attempts to minimize their failure to recognize the extent of the terrorist threat, and that they have been incompetent jerks and warmongers. However, I'm not as convinced as you seem to be that the Democrats will be terribly anxious to delve too deeply into hearings about 9/11, considering their own complacency in the several years leading up to it, but it will certainly be interesting to see what happens.

 

[G-K-4]

They're going to hold hearings. ...Payback's a bitch and the Dems want payback.

If the Democrats win control of even just the House of Representitives, I agree that there will be hearings and investigations. In fact, one of the Democrats' most active investigators is Henry Waxman, the "Elliot Ness of the Democrats". (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050214/corn/) He is currently the senior Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, and would probably go on to chair tat committee if his party wins control.

Waxman does not strike me as the kind of guy to fall for 9/11 conspiracy fantasies. Besides, he and the others will be too busy looking into the real scandals.

And the entire CT movement will get its second wind.

The fantasists might be hoping for this, but I think they will be disappointed.

 

[Loss Leader]

However, I'm not as convinced as you seem to be that the Democrats will be terribly anxious to delve too deeply into hearings about 9/11, considering their own complacency in the several years leading up to it, but it will certainly be interesting to see what happens.

Actually, I think they'll be happy to get the mike. They'll point out that the entire plan to reorganize our intelligence services and to bring down the "Chinese walls" that prevented the sharing of information was cribbed from the plan devised by Clinton and repeatedly reccomended by his aides during the handover. I think they'll be very happy to disabuse people of the notion that Clinton was "complacent" or "distracted," especially as a lead-up to the '08 Presidential election.

 

[Docker]

I've been thinking about this very thing recently and I think that the real storm is still coming. The midterm elections look like they're going to turn one or both houses over to the Democrats. While I will weap tears of joy and hug strangers on that day, there might be one small complication ...

They're going to hold hearings.

They're going to hold lots of hearings. About everything. They're going to grill Rumsfeld and Rice and everybody they can find for as long as they can about whatever they can. Payback's a bitch and the Dems want payback.

Now, there was no conspiracy. There was no LIHOP. There was some attempt to minimize how badly the administration had misread the terrorist threat. Clinton actually left Clark there with a fully fleshed-out plan which they ignored for eight months. And they are incompetent jerks and warmongers who deserve to be turned out into the street. But there was no pre-9/11 conspiracy.

That, however, won't matter. All those hearings are going to create quotes. They're going to creat pundits. And they're going to create evidence.

And the entire CT movement will get its second wind.

Storm's coming. At least, that's what I think.

I know what will happen. Members of the EPA will be in serious trouble over the GZ air. People could end up in jail.

 

[Docker]

You can read some of his ramblings here: http://ourworldinbalance.blogspot.com/2005/11/story-of-webster-griffin-tarpley.html

You'll note a startling lack of evidence, even in this friendly interview. If that's the best he's got, I confidently state that he wouldn't last five minutes under critical scrutiny.

As Andrew says, "he has no theory." Nothing but innuendo... Oh, and special mention for his early days as a LaRouche aide, though rumour has it the relationship ended badly.

Any more nominees?

Put your money where your mouth is. Contact Tarpley and offer to debate him publicly. Put up or shut up.

The throng is growing, Apparently a former CIA main man has come forward saying he believes the CIA were involved. I suppose you will just call him mental and discount his opinion.

 

[maccy]

I know what will happen. Members of the EPA will be in serious trouble over the GZ air. People could end up in jail.

Will you be campaiging for the Democrats between now and November then? Making a donation?

 

[DavidJames]

Apparently a former CIA main man has come forward saying he believes the CIA were involved. I suppose you will just call him mental and discount his opinion.

Yes, I'm going to call him right now, I'm going to use the evidence you supplied naming the person and, wait, this was Docker, he who since he provides zero supporting evidence, pulls doo doo out of his butt. link - no, source - no, evidence - no. Total BS - like everything else, you betcha.

 

[Docker]

Will you be campaiging for the Democrats between now and November then? Making a donation?

I dont live in America.

 

[LashL]

Actually, I think they'll be happy to get the mike. They'll point out that the entire plan to reorganize our intelligence services and to bring down the "Chinese walls" that prevented the sharing of information was cribbed from the plan devised by Clinton and repeatedly reccomended by his aides during the handover. I think they'll be very happy to disabuse people of the notion that Clinton was "complacent" or "distracted," especially as a lead-up to the '08 Presidential election.

Oh, I agree with you entirely that they'd be very happy to disabuse people of the notion that Clinton was complacent or distracted if they can, particularly in the lead up to the 2008 election. And I have no doubt that if they think they make it fly, they will try it. But I'm not sure that they can. Their failure to say much of anything at all for the past five years since the events leads me to believe that they have their own reasons for being quiet about it. Thus, my thinking that they aren't going to be terribly anxious to open a can of worms that might hurt them as much as help them.

ETA: Sorry about the side conversation here, R. Mackey.

 

[Oliver]

I dont live in America.

But?

 

[R.Mackey]

Put your money where your mouth is. Contact Tarpley and offer to debate him publicly. Put up or shut up.

What a foolish thing to say. It'd be equally if not more valid for me to say to Mr. Tarpley: "Put your money where your mouth is. Submit your findings to a peer-reviewed journal. Put up or shut up."

Besides, he hasn't yet presented any theory, so there's nothing to debate.

Anyway, I've already thanked you for your contribution, meager though it may be. If you are just going to cause trouble, then please vacate my thread. I am still asking a serious question, and it seems I've already seen all that you have to offer in that regard.

The throng is growing, Apparently a former CIA main man has come forward saying he believes the CIA were involved. I suppose you will just call him mental and discount his opinion.

Subject for another thread, if and only if you have some support for this. But I know you don't, so don't get all excited.

I mean, seriously. "A former CIA main man has come forward" saying that he "believes the CIA were involved"?? He doesn't know? How "main" a man could he be?

See what I mean? Now run along.

 

[Docker]

Yes, I'm going to call him right now, I'm going to use the evidence you supplied naming the person and, wait, this was Docker, he who since he provides zero supporting evidence, pulls doo doo out of his butt. link - no, source - no, evidence - no. Total BS - like everything else, you betcha.

From wikipedia:

Robert David Steele Vivas (b. July 16, 1952 New York City), is a former Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years and was the second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988-1992. Steele is a former clandestine services case officer Central Intelligence Agency.[1] He is the founder and CEO of OSS.Net, Inc. as well as the Golden Candle Society.[2] Steele also was a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University in the mid-1990's.
​

From Strategic Strategy Research Military site:

ROBERT D. STEELE is a retired Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer. He is the founder and president of Open Source Solutions, Inc., and is an acknowledged expert on computer and information vulnerabilities. Mr. Steele holds graduate degrees in International Relations and Public Administration from Leigh University and the University of Oklahoma. He has also earned certificates in Intelligence Policy from Harvard University and in Defense Studies from the Naval War College.
​

From Steele's Amazon review:

It is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770+ books I have reviewed here at Amazon, almost all non-fiction. I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war (see my review of Jim Bamford's "Pretext for War"), and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations (see my review of "Crossing the Rubicon" as well as "State of Denial"). Most fascinatingly, the author links Samuel Huntington, author of "Clash of Civilizations" with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between Nazi fascists and the neo-cons.
​

 

[Docker]

What a foolish thing to say. It'd be equally if not more valid for me to say to Mr. Tarpley: "Put your money where your mouth is. Submit your findings to a peer-reviewed journal. Put up or shut up."

Besides, he hasn't yet presented any theory, so there's nothing to debate.

Anyway, I've already thanked you for your contribution, meager though it may be. If you are just going to cause trouble, then please vacate my thread. I am still asking a serious question, and it seems I've already seen all that you have to offer in that regard.


Subject for another thread, if and only if you have some support for this. But I know you don't, so don't get all excited.

I mean, seriously. "A former CIA main man has come forward" saying that he "believes the CIA were involved"?? He doesn't know? How "main" a man could he be?

See what I mean? Now run along.

You invited me to this thread. A thread in which you claimed to have beaten all the CTs and were looking for more competition. You would have a great time beating Tarpley.

 

[R.Mackey]

You invited me to this thread. A thread in which you claimed to have beaten all the CTs and were looking for more competition. You would have a great time beating Tarpley.

Yes, I did. I invited you here for a specific purpose. That is now fulfilled. You would know this if you had read my opening post.

So why are you still here? You are not addressing my question any longer.

 

[Docker]

Yes, I did. I invited you here for a specific purpose. That is now fulfilled. You would know this if you had read my opening post.

So why are you still here? You are not addressing my question any longer.

Because this is an open forum and you cannot influence me. Please get over that.

 

[R.Mackey]

Because this is an open forum and you cannot influence me. Please get over that.

Ever hear of common courtesy?

I am formally inviting you out of my thread, since you only seem to wish trouble. Please do me the honor of understanding that. As you have no doubt noticed, this is an open forum, and you may continue your tangential discussions in other threads. Be a pal, and do so now, please.