What did Democrats do wrong?

[wareyin]

I'll add "excoriating moderates, centrists, and swing voters for not being sufficiently enthusiastic about the Democratic party" to the list of things Democrats did wrong.

What, was "paid attention to the claims of people transparently trying to help Trump while pretending badly that they only had the best interests of Democrats in mind" not taking up enough space on that list?

 

[theprestige]

What, was "paid attention to the claims of people transparently trying to help Trump while pretending badly that they only had the best interests of Democrats in mind" not taking up enough space on that list?

You must be thinking of some other thread on some other topic.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Keep in mind that the previous poster said MOST people who call themselves independent vote for the same party. The fact that you didn't stick to one party doesn't mean that you are in the majority.

There were 2 elections where you could have worked to "stop trump". You may not have voted FOR trump in those elections, but you ended up wasting your vote on either a 3rd party or write-in.

Nah. In both of those elections, the outcome of my state was a foregone conclusion so I made the choice to vote for a third party because I'm sick to death of both Republicans and Democrats and really want both parties to cease and be replaced with something different.

For example, in 2026 I was in Washington state, which went to Clinton by a margin of around 500,000 votes - and there was never any doubt that Clinton would win all of WA's electoral votes. On the other hand... third parties took 6.8% of the votes in that election, and I think that's a good thing.

 

[Emily's Cat]

You took part in an election against literal Nazis and just couldn't make up your mind about them.

First, stop calling people "literal nazis" when they're not literally nazis. At least have the integrity to call them "figurative nazis".

Second, I made up my mind that I disliked BOTH Trump and Harris enough that I didn't want either of them in charge. You falsely present this as if I just couldn't decide and threw my hands up in frustration, when the reality is nothing of the sort.

 

[Emily's Cat]

We already went round and round about that. I pointed out your conservative statements about J6,

Not buying in to propagandized rhetoric isn't conservative, it's just having a fully functioning brain

your anti-democratic voter ID stance,

Which is as "anti-democratic" as almost every other developed nation on the planet that requires ID to vote. As opposed to the nearly nonexistent anarchist view of not bothering to ensure the integrity of important elections.

your authoritarian claim that "not showing your identity papers on demand is harmful to society",

WTF are you talking about? I don't believe I've ever said such a thing.

your conservative views regarding guns,

Yep, that horribly conservative view that training, qualifying, and licensing should be required.

and your extreme anti-trans conservative rants.

Yes, my "extreme" view that males are not females, and that males shouldn't be given right-by-law to enter spaces where females are naked or vulnerable against consent. Yep, totally an "extreme conservative" view that females have a right to sexual boundaries.

I even linked to your own claim to actually be a conservative. Somehow none of that counted.

And I responded. Like I said - if you want to label me a conservative, I disagree but at least I understand it. Calling me "far right" however, is false, and it's TRANSPARENTLY intended as an insult.

 

[Segnosaur]

Nah. In both of those elections, the outcome of my state was a foregone conclusion...

Which is irrelevant, because as I pointed out, there is still value of casting a legitimate vote even in a deep red or deep blue state because it signals to the republicans your disapproval of the republican candidate.

so I made the choice to vote for a third party because I'm sick to death of both Republicans and Democrats and really want both parties to cease and be replaces with something different.

One party is decent but flawed. The other is pro-fascist.

Yet you seem to heap equal dislike on both parties equally.

And people wonder why people question your political beliefs.

 

[Segnosaur]

First, stop calling people "literal nazis" when they're not literally nazis. At least have the integrity to call them "figurative nazis".

Donald Trump looked at the "protests" in Charlotte, saw the people marching where there were lots of people waving swastikas, and said "there are fine people there".

Sounds pretty close to "literal nazi" if you can look at a bunch of people proudly waving nazi flags, and chanting nazi slogans, and still say "find people".

Second, I made up my mind that I disliked BOTH Trump and Harris enough that I didn't want either of them in charge. You falsely present this as if I just couldn't decide and threw my hands up in frustration, when the reality is nothing of the sort.

Some who, you know, DOESN'T like fascism, would look at the 2 options and say "Harris is clearly better than Trump in every way possible. Even if I'm not a fan of hers, she is still the superior choice".

A person who is A-Ok with fascism would look at the 2 options and say "I don't care if the fascist gets into power".

 

[theprestige]

Sure thing, it's this bit:

You took part in an election against literal Nazis and just couldn't make up your mind about them. You can't claim ignorance, you knew what you were doing, you took the time to vote, but deliberately threw it away just to make a point.

The irony is, Dem leadership would rather have you in their tent than someone who votes straight blue but wants them to try harder to do their jobs.

When I find myself caught between literal Nazis and literal Communists, I become a literally Finnish and literally Ukrainian.

 

[Segnosaur]

When I find myself caught between literal Nazis and literal Communists, I become a literally Finnish and literally Ukrainian.

Except of course the democrats were nowhere near "communists".

Neither the party leader nor the party platform demanded the nationalization of industry. Yeah, they may have favored more regulations and a higher tax rate, but that does not make them "communists". The only people who call them 'communists' are idiots trying to score political points with the feeble minded.

Meanwhile, republicans supported overturning the 2020 election, elected a leader who looked at protesters carrying swastikas and said there were "fine people" there, and have floated the idea of cancelling future elections.

So the allegation that the republicans are pretty much nazis/fascists is... well, looking pretty valid.

 

[dirtywick]

we can revisit that stephen miller thing if we want to discuss whether or not there are nazis in charge of the government or not

 

[wareyin]

You must be thinking of some other thread on some other topic.

Nope, this thread was started by one, and at least 2 are on this page...

 

[thaiboxerken]

When I find myself caught between literal Nazis and literal Communists, I become a literally Finnish and literally Ukrainian.

The communist party is not competitive in the USA. Stop making ◊◊◊◊ up.

 

[wareyin]

Not buying in to propagandized rhetoric isn't conservative, it's just having a fully functioning brain

Your claims about J6 are propagandized rhetoric spread by the far right.

Which is as "anti-democratic" as almost every other developed nation on the planet that requires ID to vote. As opposed to the nearly nonexistent anarchist view of not bothering to ensure the integrity of important elections.

Your claims about how the election needs to be secured are propaganda spread exclusively by the far right.

WTF are you talking about? I don't believe I've ever said such a thing.

You said not being forced to show identity papers on demand was "downright subversive"

Yep, that horribly conservative view that training, qualifying, and licensing should be required.

That's not all you've said over the years. In the same post where you called yourself a conservative you indicated that it was necessary for you to have access to firearms at all times, and any reduction in your access was someone "sacrificing" your well being.

Yes, my "extreme" view that males are not females, and that males shouldn't be given right-by-law to enter spaces where females are naked or vulnerable against consent. Yep, totally an "extreme conservative" view that females have a right to sexual boundaries.

Jesus christ, yes, that propaganda about how trans people are males intent on attacking women who all walk around the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ public bathrooms naked. Yes, that far right culture war ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

And I responded. Like I said - if you want to label me a conservative, I disagree but at least I understand it. Calling me "far right" however, is false, and it's TRANSPARENTLY intended as an insult.

I linked to you claiming you ARE a conservative ("most conservatives, myself included"), and I proved that your views as expressed on this forum are far right views.

 

[theprestige]

The communist party is not competitive in the USA. Stop making ◊◊◊◊ up.

I think you're taking me a little too "literally".

 

[Emily's Cat]

Donald Trump looked at the "protests" in Charlotte, saw the people marching where there were lots of people waving swastikas, and said "there are fine people there".

Sounds pretty close to "literal nazi" if you can look at a bunch of people proudly waving nazi flags, and chanting nazi slogans, and still say "find people".

Some who, you know, DOESN'T like fascism, would look at the 2 options and say "Harris is clearly better than Trump in every way possible. Even if I'm not a fan of hers, she is still the superior choice".

A person who is A-Ok with fascism would look at the 2 options and say "I don't care if the fascist gets into power".

Are you under the impression that people can't read my posts, and only read your responses to them, and thus your cheap and artless attempt at subterfuge is effective?

 

[Thermal]

For example, in 2026 I was in Washington state, which went to Clinton by a margin of around 500,000 votes -

Damn. Not only did I miss an election in the last few weeks, but George Clinton was running?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Your claims about J6 are propagandized rhetoric spread by the far right.

Sure sure. And of course the protests in 202o and currently ongoing are totally peaceful.

Your claims about how the election needs to be secured are propaganda spread exclusively by the far right.

Apparently it's pretty effective propaganda, seeing as about 3/4 of registered democrats support voter id and proof of citizenship being required. You know, the thing that almost every developed nation does as a standard? Realistically, it's only the subversive far left that opposes reasonable measures that will ensure election integrity regardless of party.

You said not being forced to show identity papers on demand was "downright subversive"

That is a gross and intentional misrepresentation of what I said. And you know it is.

That's not all you've said over the years. In the same post where you called yourself a conservative you indicated that it was necessary for you to have access to firearms at all times, and any reduction in your access was someone "sacrificing" your well being.

Jesus christ, yes, that propaganda about how trans people are males intent on attacking women who all walk around the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ public bathrooms naked. Yes, that far right culture war ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

I linked to you claiming you ARE a conservative ("most conservatives, myself included"), and I proved that your views as expressed on this forum are far right views.

You are really dedicated to twisting and misrepresenting my views.

Ah well. Knock yourself out. If you need to engage in purposeful misinformation about me to make yourself feel better about yourself, who am I to stop you?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Damn. Not only did I miss an election in the last few weeks, but George Clinton was running?

Lol, that's a hell of a typo on my part. I trust that most readers will understand and mentally replace that 2 with a 1.

 

[Thermal]

Lol, that's a hell of a typo on my part. I trust that most readers will understand and mentally replace that 2 with a 1.

The year 1026 is yet more cryptic.

Was his band called Parliament Prehistoric back then?