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Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

There is also the simple fact that the entire apparatus that kept Maduro in power is still there.
Trump acts as if the county has surrendered after his act of war.
But it is far more likely the next in line will step up.
If I were their government I'd prepare for the invasion by seeking to kill as many US soldiers as possible when they invade, then go for guerrilla warfare as the US cannot win against that.
In the meantime rig all the oil installations to blow so the US cannot use them anytime soon.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
There is also the simple fact that the entire apparatus that kept Maduro in power is still there.
Trump acts as if the county has surrendered after his act of war.
But it is far more likely the next in line will step up.
If I were their government I'd prepare for the invasion by seeking to kill as many US soldiers as possible when they invade, then go for guerrilla warfare as the US cannot win against that.
In the meantime rig all the oil installations to blow so the US cannot use them anytime soon.
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Like Iraq did.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Like Iraq did.
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Yes, but Iraq was mostly open desert, which is relatively easy to monitor and invade. Venezuela is mostly jungle.


AS for Venezuelans celebrating this, why would anyone hide this. It is well known a large part of the country hated the populist dictator. People would similarly celebrate in Argentina if someone were to do this to Milei.
Heck you can probaly find US citizens celebrating if the same were to happen to Trump.

Regimes based on fear, hate, exclusion and cults of personality always need suppression to stay in power, and thus always cause larger resentment in those they oppress.
 
Helen said:
And Oden forbid that the Venezuelan people should be allowed to decide for themselves.
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Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes. Maybe now that the U.S. has deposed him, the Venezuelan people will, for the first time in more than two decades of living under criminal dictators, actually be able to decide for themselves.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Would it surprise literally anyone at this point to learn that there was also insider trading going on? At least one person made over $400k betting on Maduro's kidnapping just hours before his kidnapping.

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That's actually good news, it means the maniac's activities will be broadcast before they happen. He's surrounded by people just as greedy and self-serving as himself and that can hamper him.
 
JayUtah said:
Pres. Trump has explicitly said he will send American oil companies back into Venezuela to run their oil industry for them.
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That also means that China will no longer be getting that oil. There is a geopolitical angle here, too.
JayUtah said:
The pretext of narco-terrorism didn't even last as long as it took them to get Maduro to New York.
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Oil was never a pretext. It was one of several reasons we intervened. Indeed, Venezuela was the perfect storm of reasons for an intervention: It is a country in our own backyard run by a criminal dictator who stole an election from the democratically elected winner and who exports drugs and criminal gangs to the U.S.; it is an ally of our biggest geopolitical enemies, Iran, China, and Russia, an oil supplier to the latter two and a training ground for the terrorist armies of the first. And it has oil reserves that US companies had had access to and now can have access to again.
 
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jt512 said:
That also means that China will no longer be getting that oil. There is a geopolitical angle here, too.

Oil was never a pretext. It was one of several reasons we intervened. Indeed, Venezuela was the perfect storm of reasons for an intervention: It is a country in our own backyard run by a criminal dictator who stole an election from the democratically elected winner and who exports drugs and criminal gangs to the U.S.; it is an ally of our biggest geopolitical enemies, Iran, China, and Russia, an oil supplier to the latter two and a training ground for the terrorist armies of the first. And it has oil reserves that US companies had had access to and now can have access to again.
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Well Ukraine is still an independent... oh wait, sorry, thought I heard Putin talking there.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Would it surprise literally anyone at this point to learn that there was also insider trading going on? At least one person made over $400k betting on Maduro's kidnapping just hours before his kidnapping.

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What doesn't surprise me as that the TDS sufferers would assume that somebody who bet and won in a prediction market had inside information.

You can get 5:1 on the proposition that there will be regime change in Iran in 2026. Winning such a bet hardly implies inside information.
 
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jt512 said:
Maduro stole the election in 2024 from the opposition, who won at least 70% of the votes. Maybe now that the U.S. has deposed him, the Venezuelan people will, for the first time in more than two decades of living under criminal dictators, actually be able to decide for themselves.
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According to Trump the US military will be involved in running Venezuela. But then maybe he's lying about that as well?

I repeat; I have no love for Maduro, but I still think that this quite flagrantly breaks international, as well as US, law, and creates a truly dangerous precedent. And I do not for a moment believe that this was done for some kind of noble, humanitarian reasons - there are far worse dictators around, whom Trump loves to describe as his friends. If Maduro had flattered and bribed him, he would have been a trusted ally in Trump's eyes.

And i do wonder why you think that the US had any right to do this? Might makes right, is that it?
 
Some cold hard truths here


For Venezuelans, our situation will not be fixed by Mr. Maduro’s departure, let alone by a foreign occupying force. We are not a nation held together by a government or a social contract, but a collection of individuals trapped in a struggle for survival. Replacing the man at the top will not dismantle the web of bosses, private loyalties, corrupt practices and institutional ruins that have replaced public life here.​

The Fat Orange Turd will be happy with what he has done... to get his grubby mitts on the oil reserves and deny them to Iran and China. But he won't give a toss about the people of Venezuela... he won't want to put the work in to assure a solid, corruption free future for them. He's likely to introduce MORE corruption rather than he is to reduce what already exists. Everything The Fat Orange Turd does is for his own benefit.
 
Dr.Sid said:
They will learn soon. But to be fair, the country will mostly likely be better off without Maduro.
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Iraq was better off without Saddam, too. That means it was all okay, right?

Ziggurat said:
And in just over three years, Trump won't be either.
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You keep being optimistic about that.

jt512 said:
...the Venezuelan people will, for the first time in more than two decades of living under criminal dictators, actually be able to decide for themselves.
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Keep being optimistic about that, too.
 
Helen said:
According to Trump the US military will be involved in running Venezuela. But then maybe he's lying about that as well?
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No. You are. Trump said that the U.S. will "run" Venezuela on a temporary basis until a "safe, proper and judicious transition" can be completed.
Helen said:
I repeat; I have no love for Maduro, but I still think that this quite flagrantly breaks international, as well as US, law, and creates a truly dangerous precedent.
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No. It doesn't embolden similar actions by our enemies. It does exactly the opposite: it deters them. Trumps declaration to the Islamic regime in Iran that the U.S. is "locked and loaded" to protect Iranian demonstrators from violence from the regime means a lot more today than it did yesterday.
Helen said:
And I do not for a moment believe that this was done for some kind of noble, humanitarian reasons.
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I've already explained why Trump took this action.
 
jt512 said:
No. You are. Trump said that the U.S. will "run" Venezuela on a temporary basis until a "safe, proper and judicious transition" can be completed.
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Ah yes. "A temporary basis." Very reassuring. Always worked out really well, historically.
jt512 said:
No. It doesn't embolden similar actions by our enemies. It does exactly the opposite: it deters them. Trumps declaration to the Islamic regime in Iran that the U.S. is "locked and loaded" to protect Iranian demonstrators from violence from the regime means a lot more today than it did yesterday.
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Oh, it does, does it? How does that work for China, then? No, can't take Taiwan, the mighty Trump stands in our way. And Putin must be quaking in his boots, and planning an immediate withdrawal from Ukraine.
jt512 said:
I've already explained why Trump took this action.
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No. You have given your opinion, not an explanation, but it's fine; we do know why he did. He's not exactly shy about why it was done.
 
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